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<DIV><FONT size=2>Bill,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Let me hold off on answering that until the regs are published
(hopefully soon). There may be something about "below flying speed" in the
final wording on landings that could color the answer. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>I published this to give some guidance for those trying to
have a contest or warmup.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Don</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=billglaze@triad.rr.com href="mailto:billglaze@triad.rr.com">Bill
Glaze</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 10, 2005 8:23
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: AMA Regulation Changes for
2005</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Don:<BR>Again, requesting a clarification of the landing
rules. "If the model ends up on it's back, 0 points." Does this
mean if the model rolls 11 meters, and then goes over, it receives full
landing points? Presumably, if only the first 10 meters of landing roll
are judged, then whatever happens thereafter is unjudged, regardless.
Correct? Or am I reading it wrong? Thanks.<BR><BR>Bill
Glaze<BR><BR>Don Ramsey wrote:
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN><FONT size=2><FONT
face="Times New Roman">There seems to be the need for some kind of guidance
about what is in the new 2005 Competition Regulations.<SPAN> </SPAN>I
don’t have the exact wording as it has not been published (seem there is
conflict about who is holding them up) but here’s what I have been told and
am able to get from the proposals. I hope some guidance is better than
none at all.</FONT></FONT></SPAN></P></SPAN></H1>
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<H1 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman">Take off and Landing:<O:P></O:P></FONT></SPAN></H1>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><B><FONT
face="Times New Roman"><O:P></O:P></FONT></B></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman"><B>Landing Sequence</B>:<SPAN> </SPAN>Execute a
180 degree turn to downwind (or optional 360 degree turn if flight is
completed on a downwind maneuver).<SPAN> </SPAN>Fly a downwind leg and
then turn 180 degrees into the wind for a final approach to the runway
touching down in the landing zone.<SPAN> </SPAN>The landing is
complete when the model has either rolled 10 meters or comes to
rest.</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.25in"><FONT
face="Times New Roman"><B>Landing zone</B> is defined by lines perpendicular
across the runway and spaced 100 meters apart (50 meters or about 165 feet
either side of center).<SPAN> </SPAN>Width is the width of the
runway<SPAN> </SPAN>but in no case shall exceed 30 meters.</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman">Downgrades:</FONT></P>
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style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 12pt; TEXT-INDENT: -12pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 6pt; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings">n<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN><FONT face="Times New Roman">Model does not follow landing
sequence, zero (0)</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 12pt; TEXT-INDENT: -12pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 6pt; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings">n<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN><FONT face="Times New Roman">Any landing gear leg retracts or
collapses on landing, zero (0)</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 12pt; TEXT-INDENT: -12pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 6pt; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings">n<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN><FONT face="Times New Roman">Model ends up on its back, zero
(0)</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 12pt; TEXT-INDENT: -12pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 6pt; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings">n<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN><FONT face="Times New Roman">Model passes behind the judges’
line, zero (0)</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 12pt; TEXT-INDENT: -12pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 6pt; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings">n<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN><FONT face="Times New Roman">Model lands outside the landing
zone, zero (0)</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 12pt; TEXT-INDENT: -12pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 6pt; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings">n<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN><FONT face="Times New Roman">Only two scores zero (0) of 10
may be awarded.</FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN><FONT
face="Times New Roman"><O:P></O:P></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman"><B>Takeoff Sequence</B>:<SPAN> </SPAN>Model
takes off within the landing zone then turns 90 degrees toward the line
defined by the box end poles.<SPAN> </SPAN>When approximately over
this line the model turns either 90 degrees or 270 degrees for a downwind
trim pass.<SPAN> </SPAN>When approximately over the downwind marker
the model executes a 180 degree turn, reversal or other turnaround maneuver
of pilot’s choice.</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman">Downgrades:</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 12pt; TEXT-INDENT: -12pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 6pt; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings">n<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN><FONT face="Times New Roman">Takeoff sequence not followed,
zero (0)</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 12pt; TEXT-INDENT: -12pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 6pt; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings">n<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN><FONT face="Times New Roman">Model takes off outside the
landing zone, zero (0)</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 12pt; TEXT-INDENT: -12pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 6pt; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings">n<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN><FONT face="Times New Roman">Model passes behind the judges’
line, zero (0)</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 12pt; TEXT-INDENT: -12pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 6pt; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings">n<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN><FONT face="Times New Roman">Only two scores a 10 or 0 may be
awarded </FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman"><O:P></O:P></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman"><B><SPAN>Calling
the Box:</SPAN></B><SPAN><SPAN> </SPAN>The box must be called a
minimum of 15 meters before the execution of the first maneuver and judging
begins at that point.<SPAN> </SPAN>Exiting the box call must be done a
minimum of 15 meters after the last maneuver is complete and judging will
cease at that point.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman"><O:P></O:P></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman"><B>Retracts</B>:<SPAN> </SPAN>Sportsman is no
longer restricted to fixed gear.</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman"><O:P></O:P></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman"><B>Straight and Level Flight Defined</B>:<SPAN>
</SPAN>The following has been added to the AMA Judges’ Guide under B.
Principles a. Precision paragraph 2 last sentence after “Therefore, the
absence of a well defined straight and level exit should also result in
downgrading.”<SPAN> </SPAN>“In all cases, straight and level flight
means flight parallel to the flight line, at a constant altitude and <B>with
wings level</B>.”</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman"><O:P></O:P></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><B><FONT
face="Times New Roman">Spins:<O:P></O:P></FONT></B></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman">The following will be added to the AMA Judges Guide
under “Spins” on page 78.</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman"><O:P></O:P></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman">6. The pilot who can best combine precision/geometry
of the spin (shape of the maneuver/correct number of degrees of rotation)
plus wind correction to adjust the track should receive the higher
score.</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman"><O:P></O:P></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman">Also, on page 84 under “Spins, any number of
rotations, Upright or Inverted” delete the subparagraph beginning with
“Crabbing the model”</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman"><O:P></O:P></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman">Editorial comment:<SPAN> </SPAN>It is my
opinion, this is going to take a clarification from the Judging Committee
because of the following:</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 12pt; TEXT-INDENT: -12pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 6pt; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings">n<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN><FONT face="Times New Roman">All lines in AMA are required to
be wind corrected or there is a downgrade.</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 12pt; TEXT-INDENT: -12pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 6pt; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings">n<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN><FONT face="Times New Roman">Wings must be level approaching
the stall or there is a downgrade.</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 12pt; TEXT-INDENT: -12pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 6pt; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings">n<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN><FONT face="Times New Roman">This new rule implies that the
spin is downgraded if the required number of rotations are not
done.<SPAN> </SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 12pt; TEXT-INDENT: -12pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 6pt; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings">n<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN><FONT face="Times New Roman">It is impossible to fly a model
(or any aircraft) in a crosswind without wind correction and maintain a
track parallel with the flightline. So, to make the required number of
degrees of rotation the model must be on a heading parallel with the
flightline and therefore drifting (that physics)</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman"><O:P></O:P></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman">None of this paragraph is in the regulations but
under "Logic behind proposal" is the statement "The best pilots can hide
slip and maintain track and attitude in all but the worst conditions." and
"For example, in a crosswind, pilot A does the best job of slipping to
maintain track while at the same time maintaining a heading/attitude which
closely parallels the runway." and "Good pilots are observed at every
contest maintaining track AND heading into spin entry. The
current rule does not allow a judge to give better marks to a pilot who
maintains track and heading from a pilot who
cannot."</FONT></P></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>