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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Maybe on Tuesday.....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Verne</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=mrandmrst@comcast.net href="mailto:mrandmrst@comcast.net">Ken
Thompson III</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 10, 2005 12:40
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Class Structure</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>As a Sportsman pilot(kind of), I'm not sure the
turn around maneuvers are the main problem, at least for me. My biggest
problem has been drifting in too close. In my three years of flying, I
was taught to fly within the boundaries of our field, which is at the most 100
meters to the far side. In flying the sequence I find that my problem
has always been the automatic reversion to my past schooling, hence the
narrowing of the box and then the rushing of the maneuvers. The
Sportsman sequence doesn't seem, at least to me, to be very difficult, or too
short, for most pilots.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>My earlier posts, in agreement with a more
difficult and longer Sportsman sequence, were such that I am willing to try
new things, always. No changes will keep me from trying to become a
better Pattern pilot.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>BTW, I just want to fly Verne's plane.
<VBG> Watcha' think Verne?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ken Thompson</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>NSRCA 3646</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>D4 Sportsman, again</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=khoard@midsouth.rr.com href="mailto:khoard@midsouth.rr.com">Keith
Hoard</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 10, 2005 11:16
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Class Structure</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Ditto what
<st1:place w:st="on"><st1:State w:st="on">Del</st1:State></st1:place> says.
. . <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">BTW – Have I
mentioned that I think we should get rid of the turnarounds in Sportsman??
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoAutoSig><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoAutoSig><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Keith L.
Hoard<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoAutoSig><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on"><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Cordova</SPAN></FONT></st1:City><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">, <st1:State
w:st="on">TN</st1:State></SPAN></FONT></st1:place><FONT face=Arial
color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoAutoSig><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><A
href="mailto:khoard@midsouth.rr.com">khoard@midsouth.rr.com</A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: navy"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=navy size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: navy"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> <A
href="mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org">discussion-request@nsrca.org</A>
[mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On
Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Del Rykert<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Monday, January 10, 2005 10:09
AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <st1:PersonName
w:st="on"><A
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A></st1:PersonName><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: Class
Structure</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><STRONG><B><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">Hi Verne.
</SPAN></FONT></B></STRONG><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><STRONG><B><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"> I
am only 1 vote but you would have my support as many I have tried to get to
consider giving pattern a try were intimidated by the box and keeping a
group of maneuvers in it. Without a coach was to over whelming for them.
</SPAN></FONT></B></STRONG><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><STRONG><B><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"> </SPAN></FONT></B></STRONG><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><STRONG><B><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">
<st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">del</st1:place></st1:State>
</SPAN></FONT></B></STRONG><B><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><BR><STRONG><B><FONT
face="MS Sans Serif"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">
NSRCA -
473</SPAN></FONT></B></STRONG></SPAN></FONT></B><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">----- Original Message -----
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A
title=verne@twmi.rr.com href="mailto:verne@twmi.rr.com">Verne Koester</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A
title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
Monday, January 10, 2005 7:40 AM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Re:
Class Structure<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Terry,</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Thanks for the comments.
You're dating both of us here. That set of schedules I proposed was when I
was the D4 VP about ten years ago. The radical concept I had then which
would be viewed as even more radical now would be to have no turnarounds
in Sportsman. The idea was to have newbies come out and do a judged set of
maneuvers like loops, cubans, rolls and so on with box exits on every
pass. The whole concept was to get everyday sport fliers that are doing
this stuff anyway to come out and give it a try. The schedules that
followed were built on that first one and introduced turnaround in phases.
Anyway, I was shot down in flames. I think that today, you wouldn't even
see any smoke - it'd just go
poof...........</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Verne</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">----- Original Message -----
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A
title=amad2terry@juno.com href="mailto:amad2terry@juno.com">Terry
Terrenoire</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A
title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Cc:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A
title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
Monday, January 10, 2005 5:54 AM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Re:
Class Structure<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I value Vern's commentsbecause several years ago
he alone came up with a VERY good set of schedules for all AMA classes
that truely did build on one another. Sure wish we had adopted the
entire program back then. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I would love to see Vern on our rules committee.
maybe he could come up with another series for us to consider, but at
least leave the avalanche in the Advance
schedule.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Terry T.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">On Sun, 9 Jan 2005 18:58:24 -0500 "Verne
Koester" <<A
href="mailto:verne@twmi.rr.com">verne@twmi.rr.com</A>>
writes:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Georgie,<BR>Here's a novel idea. Leave
Intermediate alone and take the snaps out of <BR>Advanced. A pilot
coming out of Intermediate into Advanced already has to <BR>learn Slow
Rolls, 4 Point Rolls, and a longer schedule with more crosswind
<BR>exposure maneuvers which is plenty.<BR><BR>The step from Advanced
to Masters is minimal at best. The step from <BR>Intermediate to
Advanced is monumental. The end result is a bunch of pilots <BR>in
Intermediate that are getting bored with their schedule but still not
<BR>ready for Advanced so they want to add snaps to it. Only problem
is that <BR>someone coming out of Sportsman will likely be scared away
if Intermediate <BR>is made any tougher.<BR><BR>It's no surprise to me
that the number of Masters pilots at any given <BR>contest are far
greater than the classes that precede it. Most of us who are <BR>there
came up through a balanced system of steps. We're all out of whack
<BR>right now. Unfortunately, I seem to be one of only a handful of
Masters and <BR>higher pilots that still remembers how hard it was to
learn slow and 4 point <BR>rolls which gets introduced at the Advanced
level. Take the snaps and spins <BR>out of Advanced and introduce them
at the Masters level, put some box exits <BR>back where they need to
be, and you'll have a logical, balanced, and <BR>transitional
set of schedules that takes a pilot from Sportsman to however <BR>high
he or she wants to go.<BR><BR>Verne Koester<BR><BR><BR>----- Original
Message ----- <BR>From: "George Kennie" <</SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN
class=MsoHyperlink><U><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=blue><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'">geobet@gis.net</SPAN></FONT></U></SPAN></SPAN></FONT>><BR>To:
<<FONT face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN
class=MsoHyperlink><U><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=blue><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'">discussion@nsrca.org</SPAN></FONT></U></SPAN></SPAN></FONT>><BR>Sent:
Sunday, January 09, 2005 2:28 PM<BR>Subject: Re: adding interest and
complexity to Sportsman ... again and again <BR>and<BR><BR><BR>>
<<I'm not flying masters, I'm flying advanced, the reason
is<BR>> Masters is<BR>> more difficult than I think I can
reasonably fly at this time, so<BR>> I'll work my way up.
>><BR>><BR>> I respectfully disagree with your assessment
of schedule difficulty.<BR>> I get the feeling that you haven't
taken the time to sit down and<BR>> really study the current
Master's sequence. I commend your attitude<BR>> of working your way
up!!!IMHO, I find the current Master's much less<BR>> threatening
than the Advanced sequence.<BR>><BR>> Somebody mentioned "going
to contests without practicing", and<BR>> indeed I can remember,
back in the 60's going to a contest myself<BR>> having never
performed the required routine and doing quite well at<BR>> the
time.However those were significantly different times and I<BR>>
myself would not desire to return to the mindset of that
period.It<BR>> was called a "Pattern Contest" and the attendance
was probably a<BR>> couple of hundred guys, but the mindset was
more like a current day<BR>> "Fun- Fly". Nobody really took it all
that seriously. Somewhere<BR>> along the line, the few individuals
that did have a more serious<BR>> approach organized and brought a
more serious aspect to the sport<BR>> realizing that the basis for
guys going out and flying a routine<BR>> that was in fact JUDGED
meant that the concept must<BR>> be"COMPETITION". I think
that this is probably the reason you still<BR>> find the most
heavily attended events to be "Fun-Fly's". When it<BR>> gets too
serious there are a lot of guys that start to feel<BR>> threatened
regarding their status within the group structure and<BR>> when the
pressure becomes, in their estimation, greater than feels<BR>>
comfortable to them, they gravitate to a different venue that<BR>>
restores the level of comfort they deem appropriate.<BR>> The same
thing seems to happen, in my judgement, with schedule<BR>>
complexity.Some of us realize that if the schedules become more
and<BR>> more complex, at some point the difficulty factor will
become<BR>> significant enough to threaten our currently hard won
achievement<BR>> status, and indeed this is true.The decision that
probably needs to<BR>> be reasoned through is,in light of this
truth, should the pursuit of<BR>> excellence be sacrificed to
satisfy the inadequacies of those of us<BR>> who are clammoring to
maintain their elevation?<BR>> I consider myself a part of this
equation and recognize my own<BR>> inadequacies, however I
also realize that this same pursuit of<BR>> excellence will not be
enhanced by any concession to tilt the<BR>> playing field in my
favor. Noone will be served by that tack. Least<BR>> of all ME! My
flying prowess ranks somewhere between Sportsman and<BR>>
Intermediate(my assessment), and though I find a couple of the
FAI<BR>> maneuvers really tough to execute in a graceful manner, I
still feel<BR>> that there is no maneuver that I could not learn to
do and given<BR>> another 50 years of practice I might even be in a
position to<BR>> challenge Jason.<BR>> It's about STRIVING guys.
That's what COMPETITION is! And it's<BR>> purpose is to determine
the most skilled individual, with the rest<BR>> of us rated in
descending order beneath the rating of the BEST! So,<BR>> as you
can see, I'm not in favor of wussing out to make things<BR>> easier
for anybody who finds their position at the pinnacle<BR>>
precarious(and that includes ME).<BR>> Now, all that being said, I
do feel that we may have a void at the<BR>> bottom and should
probably go back again and reconsider a pre-novice<BR>> class for
the guy who has only been involved in the sport for 2<BR>> weeks
and has never practiced flying a straight line.This shouldn't<BR>>
take much additional time as the number of guys showing up to<BR>>
participate in this class will indeed be very few (which begs
the<BR>> question, how far do we have to concede in order to grow
the<BR>> ranks?).<BR>> The Sportsman sequence I proposed a
couple of days ago DOES appear<BR>> to be too difficult for some of
the respondants(but not all) and<BR>> maybe the old Novice schedule
should be made available for anybody<BR>> showing up to try (as a
pre-novice event).I also think that the<BR>> Intermediate should
introduce it's participant to the 45 downline<BR>> snap or at least
a center snap on a horizontal baseline as<BR>> preparation for
Advanced.<BR>> Only a bunch of opinions, guys! Don't mean I'm
right!<BR>> G.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>
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