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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>As a Sportsman pilot(kind of), I'm not sure the
turn around maneuvers are the main problem, at least for me. My biggest
problem has been drifting in too close. In my three years of flying, I was
taught to fly within the boundaries of our field, which is at the most 100
meters to the far side. In flying the sequence I find that my problem has
always been the automatic reversion to my past schooling, hence the narrowing of
the box and then the rushing of the maneuvers. The Sportsman sequence
doesn't seem, at least to me, to be very difficult, or too short, for most
pilots.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>My earlier posts, in agreement with a more
difficult and longer Sportsman sequence, were such that I am willing to try new
things, always. No changes will keep me from trying to become a better
Pattern pilot.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>BTW, I just want to fly Verne's plane. <VBG>
Watcha' think Verne?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ken Thompson</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>NSRCA 3646</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>D4 Sportsman, again</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=khoard@midsouth.rr.com href="mailto:khoard@midsouth.rr.com">Keith
Hoard</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 10, 2005 11:16
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Class Structure</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Ditto what <st1:place
w:st="on"><st1:State w:st="on">Del</st1:State></st1:place> says. . .
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">BTW – Have I
mentioned that I think we should get rid of the turnarounds in Sportsman??
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoAutoSig><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Keith L.
Hoard<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoAutoSig><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on"><FONT face=Arial
color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Cordova</SPAN></FONT></st1:City><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">, <st1:State
w:st="on">TN</st1:State></SPAN></FONT></st1:place><FONT face=Arial color=navy
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><A
href="mailto:khoard@midsouth.rr.com">khoard@midsouth.rr.com</A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> <A
href="mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org">discussion-request@nsrca.org</A>
[mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On
Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Del Rykert<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Monday, January 10, 2005 10:09
AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <st1:PersonName
w:st="on"><A
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A></st1:PersonName><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: Class
Structure</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><STRONG><B><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">Hi Verne.
</SPAN></FONT></B></STRONG><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><STRONG><B><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"> I am
only 1 vote but you would have my support as many I have tried to get to
consider giving pattern a try were intimidated by the box and keeping a group
of maneuvers in it. Without a coach was to over whelming for them.
</SPAN></FONT></B></STRONG><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">del</st1:place></st1:State>
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NSRCA - 473</SPAN></FONT></B></STRONG></SPAN></FONT></B><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">----- Original Message -----
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A
title=verne@twmi.rr.com href="mailto:verne@twmi.rr.com">Verne Koester</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A
title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Monday,
January 10, 2005 7:40 AM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Re:
Class Structure<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Terry,</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Thanks for the comments. You're
dating both of us here. That set of schedules I proposed was when I was the
D4 VP about ten years ago. The radical concept I had then which would be
viewed as even more radical now would be to have no turnarounds in
Sportsman. The idea was to have newbies come out and do a judged set of
maneuvers like loops, cubans, rolls and so on with box exits on every pass.
The whole concept was to get everyday sport fliers that are doing this stuff
anyway to come out and give it a try. The schedules that followed were built
on that first one and introduced turnaround in phases. Anyway, I was shot
down in flames. I think that today, you wouldn't even see any smoke - it'd
just go poof...........</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Verne</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">----- Original Message -----
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A
title=amad2terry@juno.com href="mailto:amad2terry@juno.com">Terry
Terrenoire</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A
title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Cc:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A
title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
Monday, January 10, 2005 5:54 AM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Re:
Class Structure<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I value Vern's commentsbecause several years ago
he alone came up with a VERY good set of schedules for all AMA classes
that truely did build on one another. Sure wish we had adopted the entire
program back then. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I would love to see Vern on our rules committee.
maybe he could come up with another series for us to consider, but at
least leave the avalanche in the Advance
schedule.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Terry T.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">On Sun, 9 Jan 2005 18:58:24 -0500 "Verne Koester"
<<A href="mailto:verne@twmi.rr.com">verne@twmi.rr.com</A>>
writes:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Georgie,<BR>Here's a novel idea. Leave
Intermediate alone and take the snaps out of <BR>Advanced. A pilot
coming out of Intermediate into Advanced already has to <BR>learn Slow
Rolls, 4 Point Rolls, and a longer schedule with more crosswind
<BR>exposure maneuvers which is plenty.<BR><BR>The step from Advanced to
Masters is minimal at best. The step from <BR>Intermediate to Advanced
is monumental. The end result is a bunch of pilots <BR>in Intermediate
that are getting bored with their schedule but still not <BR>ready for
Advanced so they want to add snaps to it. Only problem is that
<BR>someone coming out of Sportsman will likely be scared away if
Intermediate <BR>is made any tougher.<BR><BR>It's no surprise to me that
the number of Masters pilots at any given <BR>contest are far greater
than the classes that precede it. Most of us who are <BR>there came up
through a balanced system of steps. We're all out of whack <BR>right
now. Unfortunately, I seem to be one of only a handful of Masters and
<BR>higher pilots that still remembers how hard it was to learn slow and
4 point <BR>rolls which gets introduced at the Advanced level. Take the
snaps and spins <BR>out of Advanced and introduce them at the Masters
level, put some box exits <BR>back where they need to be, and you'll
have a logical, balanced, and <BR>transitional set of schedules
that takes a pilot from Sportsman to however <BR>high he or she wants to
go.<BR><BR>Verne Koester<BR><BR><BR>----- Original Message -----
<BR>From: "George Kennie" <</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN class=MsoHyperlink><U><FONT
face="Times New Roman" color=blue><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'">geobet@gis.net</SPAN></FONT></U></SPAN></SPAN></FONT>><BR>To:
<<FONT face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN
class=MsoHyperlink><U><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=blue><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'">discussion@nsrca.org</SPAN></FONT></U></SPAN></SPAN></FONT>><BR>Sent:
Sunday, January 09, 2005 2:28 PM<BR>Subject: Re: adding interest and
complexity to Sportsman ... again and again <BR>and<BR><BR><BR>>
<<I'm not flying masters, I'm flying advanced, the reason
is<BR>> Masters is<BR>> more difficult than I think I can
reasonably fly at this time, so<BR>> I'll work my way up.
>><BR>><BR>> I respectfully disagree with your assessment of
schedule difficulty.<BR>> I get the feeling that you haven't taken
the time to sit down and<BR>> really study the current Master's
sequence. I commend your attitude<BR>> of working your way up!!!IMHO,
I find the current Master's much less<BR>> threatening than the
Advanced sequence.<BR>><BR>> Somebody mentioned "going to contests
without practicing", and<BR>> indeed I can remember, back in the 60's
going to a contest myself<BR>> having never performed the required
routine and doing quite well at<BR>> the time.However those were
significantly different times and I<BR>> myself would not desire to
return to the mindset of that period.It<BR>> was called a "Pattern
Contest" and the attendance was probably a<BR>> couple of hundred
guys, but the mindset was more like a current day<BR>> "Fun- Fly".
Nobody really took it all that seriously. Somewhere<BR>> along the
line, the few individuals that did have a more serious<BR>> approach
organized and brought a more serious aspect to the sport<BR>>
realizing that the basis for guys going out and flying a routine<BR>>
that was in fact JUDGED meant that the concept must<BR>>
be"COMPETITION". I think that this is probably the reason you
still<BR>> find the most heavily attended events to be "Fun-Fly's".
When it<BR>> gets too serious there are a lot of guys that start to
feel<BR>> threatened regarding their status within the group
structure and<BR>> when the pressure becomes, in their estimation,
greater than feels<BR>> comfortable to them, they gravitate to a
different venue that<BR>> restores the level of comfort they deem
appropriate.<BR>> The same thing seems to happen, in my judgement,
with schedule<BR>> complexity.Some of us realize that if the
schedules become more and<BR>> more complex, at some point the
difficulty factor will become<BR>> significant enough to threaten our
currently hard won achievement<BR>> status, and indeed this is
true.The decision that probably needs to<BR>> be reasoned through
is,in light of this truth, should the pursuit of<BR>> excellence be
sacrificed to satisfy the inadequacies of those of us<BR>> who are
clammoring to maintain their elevation?<BR>> I consider myself a part
of this equation and recognize my own<BR>> inadequacies, however
I also realize that this same pursuit of<BR>> excellence will
not be enhanced by any concession to tilt the<BR>> playing field in
my favor. Noone will be served by that tack. Least<BR>> of all ME! My
flying prowess ranks somewhere between Sportsman and<BR>>
Intermediate(my assessment), and though I find a couple of the
FAI<BR>> maneuvers really tough to execute in a graceful manner, I
still feel<BR>> that there is no maneuver that I could not learn to
do and given<BR>> another 50 years of practice I might even be in a
position to<BR>> challenge Jason.<BR>> It's about STRIVING guys.
That's what COMPETITION is! And it's<BR>> purpose is to determine the
most skilled individual, with the rest<BR>> of us rated in descending
order beneath the rating of the BEST! So,<BR>> as you can see, I'm
not in favor of wussing out to make things<BR>> easier for anybody
who finds their position at the pinnacle<BR>> precarious(and that
includes ME).<BR>> Now, all that being said, I do feel that we may
have a void at the<BR>> bottom and should probably go back again and
reconsider a pre-novice<BR>> class for the guy who has only been
involved in the sport for 2<BR>> weeks and has never practiced flying
a straight line.This shouldn't<BR>> take much additional time as the
number of guys showing up to<BR>> participate in this class will
indeed be very few (which begs the<BR>> question, how far do we have
to concede in order to grow the<BR>> ranks?).<BR>> The Sportsman
sequence I proposed a couple of days ago DOES appear<BR>> to be too
difficult for some of the respondants(but not all) and<BR>> maybe the
old Novice schedule should be made available for anybody<BR>> showing
up to try (as a pre-novice event).I also think that the<BR>>
Intermediate should introduce it's participant to the 45
downline<BR>> snap or at least a center snap on a horizontal baseline
as<BR>> preparation for Advanced.<BR>> Only a bunch of opinions,
guys! Don't mean I'm right!<BR>> G.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>
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