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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=015312505-10012005>With the new batteries I
saw yesterday.. weight will no longer be an issue.</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=015312505-10012005>-Doug</SPAN></DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma><B>From:</B> discussion-request@nsrca.org
[mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>RC Steve
Sterling<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, January 09, 2005 9:20 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
discussion@nsrca.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: Participation<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=171011805-10012005>Yes-- you can weigh the airplane without
the electrons (uncharged), but the fuel container (battery) must be installed.
Not going to help much.</SPAN></DIV>
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face=Tahoma>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
discussion-request@nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org]<B>On
Behalf Of </B>John Pavlick<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, January 09, 2005 12:07
PM<BR><B>To:</B> discussion@nsrca.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE:
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<DIV><SPAN class=190070020-09012005>Randy + Norm,</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=190070020-09012005> I've seen it written as:
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<DIV><SPAN class=190070020-09012005><B><FONT face="Times New Roman">"4.3.
Weight and Size. </B></FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman">No model may
weigh</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=190070020-09012005><FONT face="Times New Roman">more than
five (5) kilograms (11 pounds) gross, but</FONT></DIV>
<P align=left><FONT face="Times New Roman">excluding fuel, ready for
takeoff. No model may</FONT></P>
<P align=left><FONT face="Times New Roman">have a wingspan or total length
longer than two (2)</FONT></P>
<P align=left><FONT face="Times New Roman">meters (78.74 inches).<SPAN
class=190070020-09012005>"</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P align=left><FONT face="Times New Roman"><SPAN class=190070020-09012005>If
you consider a battery as the "fuel" for an electric plane... Just a
thought.</SPAN></FONT></P><FONT face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
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<P>John Pavlick<BR><A href="http://www.idseng.com/"
target=_blank>http://www.idseng.com</A><BR> </P></SPAN></FONT></SPAN>
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[mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org]<B>On Behalf Of
</B>Randy<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, January 09, 2005 2:57 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
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<DIV>I think electric are weighted without the pack. At least I have
seen it written on this list that way/</DIV>
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<DIV>Randy</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, January 09, 2005 2:32
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<DIV>In a message dated 1/9/05 12:57:21 PM Central Standard Time, <A
href="mailto:Norm500@comcast.net">Norm500@comcast.net</A> writes:</DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=Arial color=#000000>Just
some thoughts from an electric flyer that hasn't started in
<BR>Pattern yet. I have flown electric power in IMAC, but am
<BR>interested in Pattern because of the 2-meter size limit. My
IMAC <BR>plane, a 2-meter Staudacher which weighs just over 13 lbs.
RTF, <BR>and is as large as I want to go. In larger electrics
the price <BR>starts going up exponentially, but 2-meters start
looking rather <BR>small alongside of the now typical IMAC
planes.<BR><BR>BTW, my battery pack weighs just under 3 lbs. so if the
rules were <BR>ever changed to allow electrics to be weighed without
the pack, <BR>I'd only be at about 10 lbs. Not too bad for a
plane that was <BR>originally built and flown with a Quadra gas
engine.<BR><BR>Anyway, the point of all this is that you might be able
to start <BR>attracting some electric powered flyers that want to
compete <BR>simply because of the 2-meter limit on size. I know
it's not <BR>something that's going to happen overnight, but changing
the rule <BR>about weighing with the battery installed would surely
help. I <BR>also know that some of the top rung people are
already flying <BR>electric pattern, but with state of the art planes
that's hard for <BR>entry level builders to achieve.<BR><BR>I've been
trying to decide on a pattern plane to build for some <BR>weeks
now. I'd like it to be a 2-meter if for no other reason <BR>than
my eyesight isn't very good and the larger planes are easier <BR>to
see. Thinking of building a Typhoon 2K with Mike Hester's
<BR>modifications, but the project looks daunting to someone who's
<BR>never built a wing with tubes, adjustable wing and stabs, etc.
<BR>Also have been considering the Focus II, but figure it will be
<BR>overweight with the batteries.<BR><BR>Oh well, that's my input for
today.<BR><BR>Norm<BR></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
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<DIV>Norm: Because most pattern enthusiasts fly glow powered models,
there really hasn't been much discussion or concern regarding how
glow/gas/electric pattern aircraft are weighed. Competition rules
should be as fair as possible when applied across the board to all the
different types of models authorized to compete in a given
category. Rather than weigh electric pattern ships without
batteries, it's my personal view that either 1) the weight limit for
pattern should be eliminated, or 2) weigh all aircraft types --
gas, glow, or electric -- ready to fly....with fuel or batteries as the
case may be. I'm not pro or con any particular type of power
plant. I've used glow engines for nearly 55 years and currently
have two electric pattern ships on the workbench. Our
AMA competition rules are guided and influenced by
international FAI rules and it will be interesting to see how this issue
is handled as more and more modelers move to forms of power other than
glow fuel.</DIV>
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<DIV>Mike Moritko
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