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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>After much reflection, I've recalled that the
Hourglass, and the Z, were both responsible for many more brief vanishings
than airplanes. You could HEAR those boxers being sucked up during
that bottom corner....I'm sure I may have called for an FAI pilot who shall
remain nameless whose whole slacks outfit vanished....it was frightening to
witness. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><BR>Bob Pastorello<BR>NSRCA 199 AMA 46373<BR><A
href="mailto:rcaerobob@cox.net">rcaerobob@cox.net</A><BR><A
href="http://www.rcaerobats.net">www.rcaerobats.net</A></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=DaveL322@comcast.net href="mailto:DaveL322@comcast.net">David
Lockhart</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 10, 2005 7:27
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Reverse av/RCU poll</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Wayne,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I definitely remember that manuever causing
increased "pucker" factor - how many wings it broke I'm not sure. The
bottom corner in an hourglass (or Figure Z) is not much different than the
bottom corner in a pyramid loop...............hmmmm.....</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Dave </FONT></DIV>
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<A title=wgalligan@goodsonacura.com
href="mailto:wgalligan@goodsonacura.com">Wayne Galligan</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 10, 2005 4:53
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Reverse av/RCU poll</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Dave,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Don't forget the hourglass maneuver...
wasn't that a culprit of many a broken wing?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Wayne G.<BR></FONT></DIV>
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<A title=DaveL322@comcast.net
href="mailto:DaveL322@comcast.net">DaveL322@comcast.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 10, 2005 3:32
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Reverse av/RCU
poll</DIV>
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<DIV>Bob,</DIV>
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<DIV>Point taken. And now that it is 2005, that evil avalanche is a
reality. However - I would submit all the sequences have
been capable of breaking planes for more than a few years now.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>A simple Stall turn for example - plane is on the verge of flopping -
pilot goes to half power, flops anyway, pilots gets disoriented, plane is
heading for mother earth like a meteor, a moment of indecision, then a
half roll, plane is accelerating faster still and the engine is howling
like mad, and as the shadow on the ground is getting bigger by the
instant the pilot panics.....YANK on the elevator and POP goes the
wing.</DIV>
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<DIV>Or the simple square loop - pilot gets disoriented with wings level
and rudder corrections on top of loop, pulls corner 3 without reducing
throttle, plane is still crooked, and throttle is never reduced resulting
in a very exciting final corner.</DIV>
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<DIV>I've seen both of the above scenarios - more than once.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I don't think we'd really be happy if the rules legislated planes
that couldn't hurt themselves. Pattern with combat Zagis
anyone?? And don't forget the pattern community is not immune to
individuals that can break an anvil.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Regards,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Dave Lockhart</DIV>
<DIV><A href="mailto:DaveL322@comcast.net">DaveL322@comcast.net</A></DIV>
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<DIV>Nat,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I respectfully disagree. </DIV>
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<DIV>Forget about the reverse avalanche for a moment. I find it
unacceptable that it is <EM>possible</EM> for a schedule to be put in
place with a maneuver that breaks current airplanes. And everyone says
"suck it up", "get over it", and we have to build new planes. Which, by
the way, are now worth less since anyone planning to move up to Masters
is not going to want to buy them.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Having to design/build new planes because the old design does not
fly the new schedule very well is one thing, but to have to do it
because the current designs simply won't survive is something else
altogether. Sure, I could fly a Tipo in the Advanced class if I want. It
may not fly the greatest, but it will fly. And it will certainly
challenge me. At least I won't have to carry a shovel in my
flightbox.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Sure, in a couple of years, everyone flying Masters will all
have planes that will survive. Natural selection will take care of that.
BUT, will the sport be better off? I don't think so. Some flyers may be
put off by it. But, we only want the best flying Masters, right!</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I'm not saying we should not make the maneuvers less challenging.
Heck, we could make the schedule more challenging -- for the pilots, not
the planes -- without having to put maneuvers in the schedule that
breaks planes.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I really wanted to get back into pattern this year. Had planned on
flying my old Finesse. Looks like I might be better off with my old Cap
21. Then again, maybe not.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Bob Richards (climbing off my soapbox).</DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR><B><I>Nat Penton <natpenton@centurytel.net></I></B>
wrote:</DIV>
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all you masters fliers, quit complaining and take your medicine. Your
<BR>problems with the reverse avalanche are imaginary. Manuever
schedules have <BR>always been designed to bring about enhancement of
the pilots and the <BR>airframes capabilities.<BR><BR>It is not
difficult to build an airframe that you cannot tear up. The
<BR>wingtube, for its weight, provides the most strength and rigidity
of any <BR>structural component. Why would you cut it off
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