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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Georgie and Don,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I see this as the same type of thing as
before...The NSRCA judges group ruled that the pilot must call the box as he
crosses the pole. If not its a 2pt ding...All this is saying that on that first
maneuver you don't need to call "IN or Entering the box until just before your
entry line of the first maneuver. Same goes for exiting the box. fly the 15m
then say exiting the box.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Basically the NSRCA ruling was you had to call in
the box as you crossed the pole yet were not judged until the 15M spot. This
allows the pilot to setup a little more and choose when he is "IN the
judged zone" or Out of the judged zone."</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I think this clarifies the intent of the rules. We
don't know for sure what they really say just yet.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Look at FAI....You are never in or out of a
judged zone...By definition when you complete your 180 downwind turn of pilots
choice you are "in the box" and judged from the time you hit level upright
coming back upwind. Once you finish the sequence you guys wanted us to stay in
the box for that first upwind 180 level or descending turn. We don't fly out of
the box....As soon as we finish the 15m exit line we are in the landing
sequence. Its not the time for the judge to look down and copy his notes to a
score sheet. He still has to judge that landing sequence. It has specific
criteria.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The way I see it is this allows the pilot and
judges to be on the same page in AMA...Its a GAME ON type of thing. It tells the
judges the pilot is ready. How many times have you sat in the chair and tried to
figure out where to stop judging the take off at 6.5ft The pilot didn't
call it and that means an automatic 2pts off..Now at about 6ft he dips his wing
and turns. Well the call is was he 6ft or was he 7ft off the ground. It makes
life of the judge harder.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>This is a common clarified point in space GAME ON.
Must be at least 15m before the pull up to the first maneuver...Its like a video
game...No box exists until the pilot gets to his 15M then the grid (Box
lines) pop up and are active.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>If the pilot doesn't call it then the judge makes
that call on the 15M and the pilot gets the hit of the 2pts as a penalty for
making the judge think too hard. Simple as that!</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Troy</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=geobet@gis.net href="mailto:geobet@gis.net">George Kennie</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 11, 2005 9:50
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: AMA Regulation Changes for
2005</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Keith, <BR>This is the result of people having difficulty
defining what the words"Entry and Exit" actually mean. They seem to get
confused between the fact that maneuvers have entries and exits and the box
also has entries and exits and for some reason they have difficulty separating
the two. What this ends up doing is establishing a "call" of the maneuver
entry and exit which is at odds with the original intent of the rulebook.
Nowhere in the original ruling was there ever a place where it was required to
call the entry or exit of any maneuver, but was clearly stated regarding the
box entry and exit and the correct timing and placement of the call, which was
when crossing the pole. <BR>I won this argument about 3 years ago , but in the
interim there have been many watering downs of previously clearly defined
descriptors. <BR>This is the direct result of individuals in positions of
responsibility realizing that they personally are performing maneuvers counter
to the descriptor and instead of making the required changes to their
execution practices, they make changes to the rulebook that will accommodate
their personal preferences, resulting in a lot of the stuff we see currently
going on. <BR>G. <BR>
<P>Keith Black wrote:
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<FONT face=Arial><FONT size=-1>Also, I guess this means that you don't need
to fly to the end of the box for a true exit of the box. Take for example in
Intermediate where the last maneuver is two 1/2 rolls opposite. Guess you
can now finish the second 1/2 roll just the other side of center, fly 15
meters, call exit then veer off for landing rather than fly to the box
exit. Correct?</FONT></FONT> <FONT face=Arial><FONT
size=-1>Keith</FONT></FONT>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----</DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=patterndude@comcast.net
href="mailto:patterndude@comcast.net">Lance Van Nostrand</A></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 10, 2005 10:28
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: AMA Regulation Changes
for 2005</DIV> <FONT face=Arial><FONT size=-1>Don,</FONT></FONT><FONT
face=Arial><FONT size=-1>"</FONT></FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT
size=+0>Exiting the box call must be done a minimum of 15 meters after the
last maneuver is complete and judging will cease at that
point"</FONT></FONT> <FONT face=Arial><FONT size=-1>Does this mean if
the pilot delays a bit before calling "exiting the box" that we continue
to judge the line after the last manuver, even if it is longer than 15
meters?</FONT></FONT> <FONT face=Arial><FONT
size=-1>--Lance</FONT></FONT>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=donramsey@cox-internet.com
href="mailto:donramsey@cox-internet.com">Don Ramsey</A></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 10, 2005 7:13
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> AMA Regulation Changes for
2005</DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT
size=-1>There seems to be the need for some kind of guidance about what
is in the new 2005 Competition Regulations.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I don’t have the exact wording as
it has not been published (seem there is conflict about who is holding
them up) but here’s what I have been told and am able to get from the
proposals. I hope some guidance is better than none at
all.</FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR></SPAN>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></H1>
<H1 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman">Take off and
Landing:</FONT><O:P></O:P></SPAN></H1>
<DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><B><FONT
face="Times New Roman"></FONT></B><O:P></O:P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman"><B>Landing Sequence</B>:<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Execute a 180 degree turn to
downwind (or optional 360 degree turn if flight is completed on a
downwind maneuver).<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Fly a
downwind leg and then turn 180 degrees into the wind for a final
approach to the runway touching down in the landing zone.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The landing is complete when the
model has either rolled 10 meters or comes to rest.</FONT>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.25in"><FONT
face="Times New Roman"><B>Landing zone</B> is defined by lines
perpendicular across the runway and spaced 100 meters apart (50 meters
or about 165 feet either side of center).<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Width is the width of the
runway<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>but in no case shall
exceed 30 meters.</FONT>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman">Downgrades:</FONT>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 12pt; TEXT-INDENT: -12pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 6pt; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt">n<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </SPAN></SPAN><FONT
face="Times New Roman">Model does not follow landing sequence, zero
(0)</FONT>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 12pt; TEXT-INDENT: -12pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 6pt; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt">n<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </SPAN></SPAN><FONT
face="Times New Roman">Any landing gear leg retracts or collapses on
landing, zero (0)</FONT>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 12pt; TEXT-INDENT: -12pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 6pt; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt">n<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </SPAN></SPAN><FONT
face="Times New Roman">Model ends up on its back, zero (0)</FONT>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 12pt; TEXT-INDENT: -12pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 6pt; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt">n<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </SPAN></SPAN><FONT
face="Times New Roman">Model passes behind the judges’ line, zero
(0)</FONT>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 12pt; TEXT-INDENT: -12pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 6pt; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt">n<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </SPAN></SPAN><FONT
face="Times New Roman">Model lands outside the landing zone, zero
(0)</FONT>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 12pt; TEXT-INDENT: -12pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 6pt; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt">n<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </SPAN></SPAN><FONT
face="Times New Roman">Only two scores zero (0) of 10 may be
awarded.</FONT>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman"></FONT><O:P></O:P></SPAN>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman"><B>Takeoff Sequence</B>:<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Model takes off within the
landing zone then turns 90 degrees toward the line defined by the box
end poles.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>When
approximately over this line the model turns either 90 degrees or 270
degrees for a downwind trim pass.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>When approximately over the
downwind marker the model executes a 180 degree turn, reversal or other
turnaround maneuver of pilot’s choice.</FONT>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman">Downgrades:</FONT>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 12pt; TEXT-INDENT: -12pt; mso-list: l2 level1 lfo2"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 6pt; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt">n<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </SPAN></SPAN><FONT
face="Times New Roman">Takeoff sequence not followed, zero (0)</FONT>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 12pt; TEXT-INDENT: -12pt; mso-list: l2 level1 lfo2"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 6pt; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt">n<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </SPAN></SPAN><FONT
face="Times New Roman">Model takes off outside the landing zone, zero
(0)</FONT>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 12pt; TEXT-INDENT: -12pt; mso-list: l2 level1 lfo2"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 6pt; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt">n<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </SPAN></SPAN><FONT
face="Times New Roman">Model passes behind the judges’ line, zero
(0)</FONT>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 12pt; TEXT-INDENT: -12pt; mso-list: l2 level1 lfo2"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 6pt; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt">n<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </SPAN></SPAN><FONT
face="Times New Roman">Only two scores a 10 or 0 may be awarded</FONT>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman"></FONT><O:P></O:P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman"><B>Calling the Box:</SPAN><SPAN
style="mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt"><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"></B> </SPAN>The box must be called a
minimum of 15 meters before the execution of the first maneuver and
judging begins at that point.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Exiting the box call must be done
a minimum of 15 meters after the last maneuver is complete and judging
will cease at that point.</FONT><O:P></O:P></SPAN>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman"></FONT><O:P></O:P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman"><B>Retracts</B>:<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Sportsman is no longer restricted
to fixed gear.</FONT>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman"></FONT><O:P></O:P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman"><B>Straight and Level Flight Defined</B>:<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The following has been added to
the AMA Judges’ Guide under B. Principles a. Precision paragraph 2 last
sentence after “Therefore, the absence of a well defined straight and
level exit should also result in downgrading.”<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>“In all cases, straight and level
flight means flight parallel to the flight line, at a constant altitude
and <B>with wings level</B>.”</FONT>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman"></FONT><O:P></O:P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><B><FONT
face="Times New Roman">Spins:</FONT></B><O:P></O:P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman">The following will be added to the AMA Judges
Guide under “Spins” on page 78.</FONT>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman"></FONT><O:P></O:P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman">6. The pilot who can best combine
precision/geometry of the spin (shape of the maneuver/correct number of
degrees of rotation) plus wind correction to adjust the track should
receive the higher score.</FONT>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman"></FONT><O:P></O:P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman">Also, on page 84 under “Spins, any number of
rotations, Upright or Inverted” delete the subparagraph beginning with
“Crabbing the model”</FONT>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman"></FONT><O:P></O:P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman">Editorial comment:<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It is my opinion, this is going
to take a clarification from the Judging Committee because of the
following:</FONT>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 12pt; TEXT-INDENT: -12pt; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo3"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 6pt; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt">n<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </SPAN></SPAN><FONT
face="Times New Roman">All lines in AMA are required to be wind
corrected or there is a downgrade.</FONT>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 12pt; TEXT-INDENT: -12pt; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo3"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 6pt; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt">n<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </SPAN></SPAN><FONT
face="Times New Roman">Wings must be level approaching the stall or
there is a downgrade.</FONT>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 12pt; TEXT-INDENT: -12pt; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo3"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 6pt; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt">n<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </SPAN></SPAN><FONT
face="Times New Roman">This new rule implies that the spin is downgraded
if the required number of rotations are not done.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </FONT></SPAN>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 12pt; TEXT-INDENT: -12pt; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo3"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 6pt; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt">n<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </SPAN></SPAN><FONT
face="Times New Roman">It is impossible to fly a model (or any aircraft)
in a crosswind without wind correction and maintain a track parallel
with the flightline. So, to make the required number of degrees of
rotation the model must be on a heading parallel with the flightline and
therefore drifting (that physics)</FONT>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman"></FONT><O:P></O:P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman">None of this paragraph is in the regulations but
under "Logic behind proposal" is the statement "The best pilots can hide
slip and maintain track and attitude in all but the worst conditions."
and "For example, in a crosswind, pilot A does the best job of slipping
to maintain track while at the same time maintaining a heading/attitude
which closely parallels the runway." and "Good pilots are observed at
every contest maintaining track AND heading into spin entry. The
current rule does not allow a judge to give better marks to a pilot who
maintains track and heading from a pilot who
cannot."</FONT></P></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
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