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Good Grief, man..........we're lucky we didn't lose YOU! <br>
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Bob Pastorello wrote:<br>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">After much reflection, I've recalled
that the Hourglass, and the Z, were both responsible for many
more brief vanishings than airplanes. You could HEAR those boxers
being sucked up during that bottom corner....I'm sure I may have
called for an FAI pilot who shall remain nameless whose whole slacks
outfit vanished....it was frightening to witness. </font></div>
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Bob Pastorello<br>
NSRCA 199 AMA 46373<br>
<a href="mailto:rcaerobob@cox.net">rcaerobob@cox.net</a><br>
<a href="http://www.rcaerobats.net">www.rcaerobats.net</a></div>
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<a title="DaveL322@comcast.net" href="mailto:DaveL322@comcast.net">David
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Monday, January 10, 2005 7:27 PM</div>
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Re: Reverse av/RCU poll</div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Wayne,</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">I definitely remember that
manuever causing increased "pucker" factor - how many wings it broke
I'm not sure. The bottom corner in an hourglass (or Figure Z) is not
much different than the bottom corner in a pyramid
loop...............hmmmm.....</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Dave </font></div>
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Monday, January 10, 2005 4:53 PM</div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Dave,</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Don't forget the hourglass
maneuver... wasn't that a culprit of many a broken wing?</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Wayne G.<br>
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Monday, January 10, 2005 3:32 PM</div>
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<div>Bob,</div>
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<div>Point taken. And now that it is 2005, that evil avalanche
is a reality. However - I would submit all the sequences have
been capable of breaking planes for more than a few years now.</div>
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<div>A simple Stall turn for example - plane is on the verge of
flopping - pilot goes to half power, flops anyway, pilots gets
disoriented, plane is heading for mother earth like a meteor, a moment
of indecision, then a half roll, plane is accelerating faster still and
the engine is howling like mad, and as the shadow on the ground is
getting bigger by the instant the pilot panics.....YANK on the elevator
and POP goes the wing.</div>
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<div>Or the simple square loop - pilot gets disoriented with
wings level and rudder corrections on top of loop, pulls corner 3
without reducing throttle, plane is still crooked, and throttle is
never reduced resulting in a very exciting final corner.</div>
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<div>I've seen both of the above scenarios - more than once.</div>
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<div>I don't think we'd really be happy if the rules legislated
planes that couldn't hurt themselves. Pattern with combat Zagis
anyone?? And don't forget the pattern community is not immune to
individuals that can break an anvil.</div>
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<div>Regards,</div>
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<div>Dave Lockhart</div>
<div><a href="mailto:DaveL322@comcast.net">DaveL322@comcast.net</a></div>
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<div>Nat,</div>
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<div>I respectfully disagree. </div>
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<div>Forget about the reverse avalanche for a moment. I find
it unacceptable that it is <em>possible</em> for a schedule to be put
in place with a maneuver that breaks current airplanes. And everyone
says "suck it up", "get over it", and we have to build new planes.
Which, by the way, are now worth less since anyone planning to move up
to Masters is not going to want to buy them.</div>
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<div>Having to design/build new planes because the old design
does not fly the new schedule very well is one thing, but to have to do
it because the current designs simply won't survive is something else
altogether. Sure, I could fly a Tipo in the Advanced class if I want.
It may not fly the greatest, but it will fly. And it will certainly
challenge me. At least I won't have to carry a shovel in my flightbox.</div>
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<div>Sure, in a couple of years, everyone flying Masters will
all have planes that will survive. Natural selection will take care of
that. BUT, will the sport be better off? I don't think so. Some flyers
may be put off by it. But, we only want the best flying Masters, right!</div>
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<div>I'm not saying we should not make the maneuvers less
challenging. Heck, we could make the schedule more challenging -- for
the pilots, not the planes -- without having to put maneuvers in the
schedule that breaks planes.</div>
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<div>I really wanted to get back into pattern this year. Had
planned on flying my old Finesse. Looks like I might be better off with
my old Cap 21. Then again, maybe not.</div>
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<div>Bob Richards (climbing off my soapbox).</div>
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<br>
<b><i>Nat Penton <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:natpenton@centurytel.net"><natpenton@centurytel.net></a></i></b>
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all you masters fliers, quit complaining and take your medicine. Your <br>
problems with the reverse avalanche are imaginary. Manuever schedules
have <br>
always been designed to bring about enhancement of the pilots and the <br>
airframes capabilities.<br>
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It is not difficult to build an airframe that you cannot tear up. The <br>
wingtube, for its weight, provides the most strength and rigidity of
any <br>
structural component. Why would you cut it off ??<br>
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