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I'm not in favor of the current ruling(or proposed ruling,whatever). I
like the FAI attitude that everything inside the box is under scrutiny
and I contend that the same was the original intent of the rulebook pre-1999.
You entered the box at the pole and were expected to be flying a smooth
level line.After all, they gave you all the space you wanted outside the
box to get yourself oriented and prepared to enter with precision and collected.My
understanding is that Ron Chidgey was the generator of the original descriptors
and it would be nice to be able to know if he is in agreement with all
of the many disembowelments of his original maneuver execution descriptions
which I think are nothing short of genius.
<BR>The rule changes that have been made in the interim, IMHO, have resulted
in nothing more than chaos and confusion whereas his descriptions were
rife with solidarity and standardization. The current changes have removed
many of the standards which provided concrete judging platforms and replaced
them with arbitrary subjective personal biases.In my eyes this is sad and
in the end harmful to our cause.
<BR>Who Else
<P>Troy A. Newman wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <FONT FACE="Arial"><FONT SIZE=-1>Georgie and
Don,</FONT></FONT> <FONT FACE="Arial"><FONT SIZE=-1>I see this as
the same type of thing as before...The NSRCA judges group ruled that the
pilot must call the box as he crosses the pole. If not its a 2pt ding...All
this is saying that on that first maneuver you don't need to call "IN or
Entering the box until just before your entry line of the first maneuver.
Same goes for exiting the box. fly the 15m then say exiting the box.</FONT></FONT> <FONT FACE="Arial"><FONT SIZE=-1>Basically
the NSRCA ruling was you had to call in the box as you crossed the pole
yet were not judged until the 15M spot. This allows the pilot to setup
a little more and choose when he is "IN the judged zone" or Out of
the judged zone."</FONT></FONT> <FONT FACE="Arial"><FONT SIZE=-1>I
think this clarifies the intent of the rules. We don't know for sure what
they really say just yet.</FONT></FONT> <FONT FACE="Arial"><FONT SIZE=-1>Look
at FAI....You are never in or out of a judged zone...By definition when
you complete your 180 downwind turn of pilots choice you are "in the box"
and judged from the time you hit level upright coming back upwind. Once
you finish the sequence you guys wanted us to stay in the box for that
first upwind 180 level or descending turn. We don't fly out of the box....As
soon as we finish the 15m exit line we are in the landing sequence. Its
not the time for the judge to look down and copy his notes to a score sheet.
He still has to judge that landing sequence. It has specific criteria.</FONT></FONT> <FONT FACE="Arial"><FONT SIZE=-1>The
way I see it is this allows the pilot and judges to be on the same page
in AMA...Its a GAME ON type of thing. It tells the judges the pilot is
ready. How many times have you sat in the chair and tried to figure out
where to stop judging the take off at 6.5ft The pilot didn't call
it and that means an automatic 2pts off..Now at about 6ft he dips his wing
and turns. Well the call is was he 6ft or was he 7ft off the ground. It
makes life of the judge harder.</FONT></FONT> <FONT FACE="Arial"><FONT SIZE=-1>This
is a common clarified point in space GAME ON. Must be at least 15m before
the pull up to the first maneuver...Its like a video game...No box exists
until the pilot gets to his 15M then the grid (Box lines) pop up and are
active.</FONT></FONT> <FONT FACE="Arial"><FONT SIZE=-1>If the pilot
doesn't call it then the judge makes that call on the 15M and the pilot
gets the hit of the 2pts as a penalty for making the judge think too hard.
Simple as that!</FONT></FONT> <FONT FACE="Arial"><FONT SIZE=-1>Troy</FONT></FONT>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----</DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A HREF="mailto:geobet@gis.net" title="geobet@gis.net">George Kennie</A></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A HREF="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org" title="discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 11, 2005 9:50
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: AMA Regulation Changes
for 2005</DIV>
Keith,
<BR>This is the result of people having difficulty defining what the words"Entry
and Exit" actually mean. They seem to get confused between the fact that
maneuvers have entries and exits and the box also has entries and exits
and for some reason they have difficulty separating the two. What this
ends up doing is establishing a "call" of the maneuver entry and exit which
is at odds with the original intent of the rulebook. Nowhere in the original
ruling was there ever a place where it was required to call the entry or
exit of any maneuver, but was clearly stated regarding the box entry and
exit and the correct timing and placement of the call, which was when crossing
the pole.
<BR>I won this argument about 3 years ago , but in the interim there have
been many watering downs of previously clearly defined descriptors.
<BR>This is the direct result of individuals in positions of responsibility
realizing that they personally are performing maneuvers counter to the
descriptor and instead of making the required changes to their execution
practices, they make changes to the rulebook that will accommodate their
personal preferences, resulting in a lot of the stuff we see currently
going on.
<BR>G.
<BR>
<P>Keith Black wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE="CITE"> <STYLE></STYLE>
<FONT FACE="Arial"><FONT SIZE=-1>Also,
I guess this means that you don't need to fly to the end of the box for
a true exit of the box. Take for example in Intermediate where the last
maneuver is two 1/2 rolls opposite. Guess you can now finish the second
1/2 roll just the other side of center, fly 15 meters, call exit then veer
off for landing rather than fly to the box exit. Correct?</FONT></FONT>
<FONT FACE="Arial"><FONT SIZE=-1>Keith</FONT></FONT>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A HREF="mailto:patterndude@comcast.net" title="patterndude@comcast.net">Lance
Van Nostrand</A></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A HREF="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org" title="discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 10, 2005 10:28
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: AMA Regulation Changes
for 2005</DIV>
<FONT FACE="Arial"><FONT SIZE=-1>Don,"</FONT></FONT><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><FONT SIZE=+0>Exiting
the box call must be done a minimum of 15 meters after the last maneuver
is complete and judging will cease at that point"</FONT></FONT> <FONT FACE="Arial"><FONT SIZE=-1>Does
this mean if the pilot delays a bit before calling "exiting the box" that
we continue to judge the line after the last manuver, even if it is longer
than 15 meters?</FONT></FONT> <FONT FACE="Arial"><FONT SIZE=-1>--Lance</FONT></FONT>
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<A HREF="mailto:donramsey@cox-internet.com" title="donramsey@cox-internet.com">Don
Ramsey</A></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A HREF="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org" title="discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 10, 2005 7:13
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> AMA Regulation Changes for
2005</DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt"><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><FONT SIZE=-1>There
seems to be the need for some kind of guidance about what is in the new
2005 Competition Regulations.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I
don’t have the exact wording as it has not been published (seem there is
conflict about who is holding them up) but here’s what I have been told
and am able to get from the proposals. I hope some guidance is better
than none at all.</FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><FONT FACE="Times New Roman">Take off and
Landing:</FONT><O:P></O:P></SPAN></H1>
<DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><O:P></O:P></DIV>
<DIV class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><B>Landing
Sequence</B>:<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Execute
a 180 degree turn to downwind (or optional 360 degree turn if flight is
completed on a downwind maneuver).<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Fly
a downwind leg and then turn 180 degrees into the wind for a final approach
to the runway touching down in the landing zone.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The
landing is complete when the model has either rolled 10 meters or comes
to rest.</FONT></DIV>
<P class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.25in"><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><B>Landing
zone</B> is defined by lines perpendicular across the runway and spaced
100 meters apart (50 meters or about 165 feet either side of center).<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Width
is the width of the runway<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>but
in no case shall exceed 30 meters.</FONT>
<P class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT FACE="Times New Roman">Downgrades:</FONT>
<P class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 12pt; TEXT-INDENT: -12pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 6pt; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt">n<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </SPAN></SPAN><FONT FACE="Times New Roman">Model
does not follow landing sequence, zero (0)</FONT>
<P class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 12pt; TEXT-INDENT: -12pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 6pt; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt">n<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </SPAN></SPAN><FONT FACE="Times New Roman">Any
landing gear leg retracts or collapses on landing, zero (0)</FONT>
<P class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 12pt; TEXT-INDENT: -12pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 6pt; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt">n<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </SPAN></SPAN><FONT FACE="Times New Roman">Model
ends up on its back, zero (0)</FONT>
<P class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 12pt; TEXT-INDENT: -12pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 6pt; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt">n<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </SPAN></SPAN><FONT FACE="Times New Roman">Model
passes behind the judges’ line, zero (0)</FONT>
<P class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 12pt; TEXT-INDENT: -12pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 6pt; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt">n<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </SPAN></SPAN><FONT FACE="Times New Roman">Model
lands outside the landing zone, zero (0)</FONT>
<P class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 12pt; TEXT-INDENT: -12pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 6pt; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt">n<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </SPAN></SPAN><FONT FACE="Times New Roman">Only
two scores zero (0) of 10 may be awarded.</FONT>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN>
<P class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><B>Takeoff
Sequence</B>:<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Model
takes off within the landing zone then turns 90 degrees toward the line
defined by the box end poles.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>When
approximately over this line the model turns either 90 degrees or 270 degrees
for a downwind trim pass.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>When
approximately over the downwind marker the model executes a 180 degree
turn, reversal or other turnaround maneuver of pilot’s choice.</FONT>
<P class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT FACE="Times New Roman">Downgrades:</FONT>
<P class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 12pt; TEXT-INDENT: -12pt; mso-list: l2 level1 lfo2"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 6pt; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt">n<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </SPAN></SPAN><FONT FACE="Times New Roman">Takeoff
sequence not followed, zero (0)</FONT>
<P class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 12pt; TEXT-INDENT: -12pt; mso-list: l2 level1 lfo2"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 6pt; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt">n<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </SPAN></SPAN><FONT FACE="Times New Roman">Model
takes off outside the landing zone, zero (0)</FONT>
<P class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 12pt; TEXT-INDENT: -12pt; mso-list: l2 level1 lfo2"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 6pt; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt">n<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </SPAN></SPAN><FONT FACE="Times New Roman">Model
passes behind the judges’ line, zero (0)</FONT>
<P class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 12pt; TEXT-INDENT: -12pt; mso-list: l2 level1 lfo2"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 6pt; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt">n<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </SPAN></SPAN><FONT FACE="Times New Roman">Only
two scores a 10 or 0 may be awarded</FONT>
<P class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><O:P></O:P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt"><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><B>Calling
the Box:</SPAN><SPAN
style="mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt"><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"></B> </SPAN>The
box must be called a minimum of 15 meters before the execution of the first
maneuver and judging begins at that point.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Exiting
the box call must be done a minimum of 15 meters after the last maneuver
is complete and judging will cease at that point.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT>
<P class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><O:P></O:P>
<P class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><B>Retracts</B>:<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Sportsman
is no longer restricted to fixed gear.</FONT>
<P class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><O:P></O:P>
<P class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><B>Straight
and Level Flight Defined</B>:<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The
following has been added to the AMA Judges’ Guide under B. Principles a.
Precision paragraph 2 last sentence after “Therefore, the absence of a
well defined straight and level exit should also result in downgrading.”<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>“In
all cases, straight and level flight means flight parallel to the flight
line, at a constant altitude and <B>with wings level</B>.”</FONT>
<P class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><O:P></O:P>
<P class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><B><FONT FACE="Times New Roman">Spins:<O:P></O:P></FONT></B>
<P class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT FACE="Times New Roman">The
following will be added to the AMA Judges Guide under “Spins” on page 78.</FONT>
<P class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><O:P></O:P>
<P class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT FACE="Times New Roman">6.
The pilot who can best combine precision/geometry of the spin (shape of
the maneuver/correct number of degrees of rotation) plus wind correction
to adjust the track should receive the higher score.</FONT>
<P class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><O:P></O:P>
<P class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT FACE="Times New Roman">Also,
on page 84 under “Spins, any number of rotations, Upright or Inverted”
delete the subparagraph beginning with “Crabbing the model”</FONT>
<P class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><O:P></O:P>
<P class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT FACE="Times New Roman">Editorial
comment:<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It is my
opinion, this is going to take a clarification from the Judging Committee
because of the following:</FONT>
<P class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 12pt; TEXT-INDENT: -12pt; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo3"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 6pt; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt">n<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </SPAN></SPAN><FONT FACE="Times New Roman">All
lines in AMA are required to be wind corrected or there is a downgrade.</FONT>
<P class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 12pt; TEXT-INDENT: -12pt; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo3"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 6pt; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt">n<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </SPAN></SPAN><FONT FACE="Times New Roman">Wings
must be level approaching the stall or there is a downgrade.</FONT>
<P class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 12pt; TEXT-INDENT: -12pt; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo3"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 6pt; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt">n<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </SPAN></SPAN><FONT FACE="Times New Roman">This
new rule implies that the spin is downgraded if the required number of
rotations are not done.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></FONT>
<P class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 12pt; TEXT-INDENT: -12pt; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo3"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 6pt; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt">n<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </SPAN></SPAN><FONT FACE="Times New Roman">It
is impossible to fly a model (or any aircraft) in a crosswind without wind
correction and maintain a track parallel with the flightline. So, to make
the required number of degrees of rotation the model must be on a heading
parallel with the flightline and therefore drifting (that physics)</FONT>
<P class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><O:P></O:P>
<P class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT FACE="Times New Roman">None
of this paragraph is in the regulations but under "Logic behind proposal"
is the statement "The best pilots can hide slip and maintain track and
attitude in all but the worst conditions." and "For example, in a crosswind,
pilot A does the best job of slipping to maintain track while at the same
time maintaining a heading/attitude which closely parallels the runway."
and "Good pilots are observed at every contest maintaining track AND heading
into spin entry. The current rule does not allow a judge to give
better marks to a pilot who maintains track and heading from a pilot who
cannot."</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
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