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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I live North West of Pittsburgh and South East of
Youngstown, OH almost dead center between the two. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>My friend Buddy was into pattern when he was down
south in the Marines. He told me that the KAOS would be more than fine for
Spotsman, but I didn't listen and bought his Prophecy off him. NOW I see that it
wasn't needed but I loved the way the plane flew. If I knew then what I know
now, I would have aved the money. My Javelin II with the YS 63FZ does everything
I ask of it and does it well without being a speed demon......slow and
steady.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Buddy was a bit let down when he moved home to find
that there were no competitions within a reasonable driving distance. We keep
trying to find time to go to a meet but as of yet haven't been able to get
the shceduling worked out. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I am palnning to make at least one meet this year,
but you know what is said about the best laid plans of mice and
men.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Barring that, my local field has a 550' runway. I'd
love to get a some guys together there. The club website is <A
href="http://www.beavercountymac.com">www.beavercountymac.com</A> and there is a
link to a map.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hope to meet up with some of you guys one of these
days.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Pete Cosky</FONT></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=jpavlick@idseng.com href="mailto:jpavlick@idseng.com">John
Pavlick</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, January 12, 2005
11:05</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Sportsman revisited /
Growing Pattern</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=270595003-13012005>Pete,</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=270595003-13012005> Yeah, where do you live? I'm in New Milford CT.
I drive to ME, MA and NJ for contests - they don't have pattern contests in CT
(yet). This means packing up the truck, (I bought a new truck to carry my
pattern planes to contests - I'm not rich, just determined) waking up at 4AM
and driving for 3-4 hours. I drove back and forth to two day contests. Hey, if
it was easy, it wouldn't be fun. You are absolutely correct about the planes.
As long as you have enough power to come out of a vertical roll straight, and
make it over the top - you're good to go in Intermediate. Sportsman is a lot
less demanding.You should have no problem with the Excelleron. There is some
pre-conceived notion that you need the "best" of everything to fly
pattern. Maybe in the higher classes this is somewhat true, but the
reality is you need to fly the plane! Practice, practice, practice.
You'll do fine - just go to a contest!</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<P><FONT size=2>John Pavlick<BR><A href="http://www.idseng.com/"
target=_blank>http://www.idseng.com</A><BR> </FONT>
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<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=270595003-13012005> </SPAN>-----Original
Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> discussion-request@nsrca.org
[mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org]<B>On Behalf Of </B>rick
wallace<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, January 12, 2005 10:41 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
discussion@nsrca.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: Sportsman revisited / Growing
Pattern<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT id=role_document face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">EXCELLENT! Thanks
for sharing! </SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Where do you live?
</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I’m in NJ; a flying
buddy is in south central PA – are we getting close at all???
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Keep the faith!
<BR><BR></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Rick Wallace
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Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B>
discussion-request@nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Pete Cosky<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday, January 12, 2005 8:31
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>
discussion@nsrca.org<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> RE: Sportsman revisited /
Growing Pattern</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">If your
interested in a perspective from someone who wants to fly pattern but
doesn’t….I’ll give you one.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">The
Sportsman sequence is fine the way it is. I’m a pretty good sport pilot and
struggled with flying a straight line for quite sometime. That is the
toughest part to learn and it takes some doing, especially where I fly as
it’s windy all time. I forgot what a rudder was until I tried to fly a
straight line.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">I thought
about flying pattern back in early 80’s but got out of RC for about 15
years. Back then local clubs were more active and you heard about meets
within a reasonable distance. Now the closest meet to me is four hours away
and no one locally seems too excited about doing anything.
</SPAN></FONT></P>
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size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">John is
very correct that the NSRCA needs a higher profile. My friend Buddy is the
one responsible for me being interested in pattern again AND the one who
told me about the NSRCA. I’ve read a couple K Factors and the ones I saw
were nice if you wanted to know who competed where and how they did. What
does that offer someone who wants to know about gear or construction or
flying techniques? One did have a nice how to on building a coupler for
split elevators. I also have to ask why there isn’t a higher profile in
Model Aviation. Whey isn’t there an aerobatics article every month with an
ad for the NSRCA on the page? Have I joined? No. Why? What is the incentive?
If I can get to a meet and wind up liking it will I join>? Undoubtedly.
</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">If you want
to see pattern grow then you have to find a way to get it closer to those
who you want to attract. I for one don’t mind taking a trip, but I am not
going to travel 4 to 6 hours one way to see if I like something. Other than
the time, I am also on call 24/7. I’m sure there are a lot of others that
would go if there was something closer to them. I tried getting some guys
together who were interested in pattern from the PA, OH, WV area together at
my local field and only one showed out of six.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">My local
club was down to 46 members a few years ago. We got a young guy in as
president who got an article in the paper and put up a web site and a nice
sign right next to the road and grew to 92 members in a two year span. All I
heard from the new members was “We didn’t know you guys were here” and “I’d
have given up if it weren’t for having someone show me how to
fly”.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">As has been
mentioned before here and on RCU; there is a very real misconception that
you NEED a 2M plane to compete. I bought two myself and they fly a whole lot
better than my KAOS did, but they weren’t warranted for either the Sportsman
or Intermediate sequences. Because of Bob Pastorello’s thread on RCU I just
bought an Excelleron 90 and I’m sure it will be just as capable in the lower
classes as anything else. </SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">As for me
right now I have a Sequel, a Prophecy, an Excelleron and a Javelin II and am
hoping I can make a meet this year. If I can’t I’ll keep burning fuel and
practicing because I enjoy the challenge.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">Just my
$.02</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">Pete Cosky
(a confirmed pattern junkie)</SPAN></FONT></P>
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size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">From:
discussion-request@nsrca.org [<A
href="mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org">mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org</A>]</SPAN></FONT></P>
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size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">On Behalf
Of John Pavlick</SPAN></FONT></P>
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size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">Sent:
Monday, January 10, 2005 8:28 PM</SPAN></FONT></P>
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discussion@nsrca.org</SPAN></FONT></P>
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Sportsman revisited / Growing Pattern</SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">Guys,</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"> Here
are some (more) ideas regarding Sportsman and new pattern pilots. If you're
sick of this then don't read, but if not... The two obvious threats to
membership in the NSRCA are: 1. Losing current members. 2. NOT finding new
ones.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">I can add
some insight into problem #2 -</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">Before we
condemn the current Sportsman pattern and invest time trying to build a new
one, give this some thought. If you want to increase interest in pattern,
the first thing that needs to be done is make the NSRCA a little bit more
noticeable to the aero-modeling community in general. I can't speak for all
of the country, but in my area (CT) almost no one has heard of pattern.
Seriously. About 15 years ago this wasn't the case, but right now, that's
how it is. When I do meet a pattern flyer they're usually older than me and
remember the good old days but can't find anyone to fly with or any contests
to go to. It took me a while to find out about you guys and I was LOOKING.
The LHS owner thought pattern was some type of racing. Everyone is either
flying Park Flyers or 3D. Luckily I got a hold of a K-Factor and a D1
contest schedule or I would still be flying my Kaos at the baseball field.
The Pattern Primers are a VERY GOOD THING!!! We need more of them, or
something like them. A lot of people are a little bit afraid to go to a
"real" contest. Remember, pattern still has a certain aura surrounding it
that intimidates beginners. When you leave your first Pattern Primer, you
know where you stand. You either go home and practice or you give up. Maybe
there needs to be a follow-up of some kind if someone doesn't come back. Get
enough information from Pattern Primer entrants so that someone can call
them if they don't show up at any more contests. Extra work yes, but this
might provide some answers. Right now we're guessing at a lot of things. I
honestly don't think the Sportsman schedule is at fault. Could it be better?
Maybe. Does it need to be? Maybe not. Since we don't need to submit any rule
changes until September (is this correct?) why don't we use the time to
gather some more information. Maybe put some more of those poles up on RCU.
Ask the general public what they think about the Sportsman schedule and
entering a pattern contest. They're the ones we're trying to attract. In the
meantime, anyone who is working with people that plan on attending their
first contest this season, try to assess their progress and what is giving
them the most trouble. Then we'll have some real life answers instead of
guessing. I don't think there's any ONE thing that we can do to improve
things immediately. It is a complicated problem, but as with anything
complicated it can usually be broken down into small elements. Fix as many
as possible. It won't happen overnight but it WILL happen if we work
together. I don't want to see pattern disappear from the AMA rule book and I
don't think anyone else does either. Sportsman is the seed that keeps
pattern alive. OK so it's not the prettiest thing to watch sometimes, but we
all have to start somewhere.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">As far as
problem #1 - I think I've already invited enough criticism. I'll leave that
to someone higher up on the food chain...</SPAN></FONT></P>
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