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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=270595003-13012005>Pete,</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=270595003-13012005> Yeah, where do you live? I'm in New Milford CT. I
drive to ME, MA and NJ for contests - they don't have pattern contests in CT
(yet). This means packing up the truck, (I bought a new truck to carry my
pattern planes to contests - I'm not rich, just determined) waking up at 4AM and
driving for 3-4 hours. I drove back and forth to two day contests. Hey, if it
was easy, it wouldn't be fun. You are absolutely correct about the planes. As
long as you have enough power to come out of a vertical roll straight, and make
it over the top - you're good to go in Intermediate. Sportsman is a lot less
demanding.You should have no problem with the Excelleron. There is some
pre-conceived notion that you need the "best" of everything to fly pattern.
Maybe in the higher classes this is somewhat true, but the reality is you
need to fly the plane! Practice, practice, practice. You'll do fine - just
go to a contest!</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<P><FONT size=2>John Pavlick<BR><A href="http://www.idseng.com/"
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<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=270595003-13012005> </SPAN>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
discussion-request@nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org]<B>On Behalf
Of </B>rick wallace<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, January 12, 2005 10:41
PM<BR><B>To:</B> discussion@nsrca.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: Sportsman revisited
/ Growing Pattern<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">EXCELLENT! Thanks for
sharing! </SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Where do you live?
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I’m in NJ; a flying
buddy is in south central PA – are we getting close at all???
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Keep the faith!
<BR><BR></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Rick Wallace
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">-----Original
Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B>
discussion-request@nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Pete Cosky<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday, January 12, 2005 8:31
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>
discussion@nsrca.org<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B>
RE: Sportsman revisited / Growing Pattern</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">If your
interested in a perspective from someone who wants to fly pattern but
doesn’t….I’ll give you one.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">The Sportsman
sequence is fine the way it is. I’m a pretty good sport pilot and struggled
with flying a straight line for quite sometime. That is the toughest part to
learn and it takes some doing, especially where I fly as it’s windy all time.
I forgot what a rudder was until I tried to fly a straight
line.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I thought
about flying pattern back in early 80’s but got out of RC for about 15 years.
Back then local clubs were more active and you heard about meets within a
reasonable distance. Now the closest meet to me is four hours away and no one
locally seems too excited about doing anything. </SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">John is very
correct that the NSRCA needs a higher profile. My friend Buddy is the one
responsible for me being interested in pattern again AND the one who told me
about the NSRCA. I’ve read a couple K Factors and the ones I saw were nice if
you wanted to know who competed where and how they did. What does that offer
someone who wants to know about gear or construction or flying techniques? One
did have a nice how to on building a coupler for split elevators. I also have
to ask why there isn’t a higher profile in Model Aviation. Whey isn’t there an
aerobatics article every month with an ad for the NSRCA on the page? Have I
joined? No. Why? What is the incentive? If I can get to a meet and wind up
liking it will I join>? Undoubtedly. </SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">If you want
to see pattern grow then you have to find a way to get it closer to those who
you want to attract. I for one don’t mind taking a trip, but I am not going to
travel 4 to 6 hours one way to see if I like something. Other than the time, I
am also on call 24/7. I’m sure there are a lot of others that would go if
there was something closer to them. I tried getting some guys together who
were interested in pattern from the PA, OH, WV area together at my local field
and only one showed out of six.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">My local club
was down to 46 members a few years ago. We got a young guy in as president who
got an article in the paper and put up a web site and a nice sign right next
to the road and grew to 92 members in a two year span. All I heard from the
new members was “We didn’t know you guys were here” and “I’d have given up if
it weren’t for having someone show me how to fly”.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">As has been
mentioned before here and on RCU; there is a very real misconception that you
NEED a 2M plane to compete. I bought two myself and they fly a whole lot
better than my KAOS did, but they weren’t warranted for either the Sportsman
or Intermediate sequences. Because of Bob Pastorello’s thread on RCU I just
bought an Excelleron 90 and I’m sure it will be just as capable in the lower
classes as anything else. </SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">As for me
right now I have a Sequel, a Prophecy, an Excelleron and a Javelin II and am
hoping I can make a meet this year. If I can’t I’ll keep burning fuel and
practicing because I enjoy the challenge.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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size=2><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Just my
$.02</SPAN></FONT></P>
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size=2><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Pete Cosky (a
confirmed pattern junkie)</SPAN></FONT></P>
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size=2><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:
discussion-request@nsrca.org [<A
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">On Behalf Of
John Pavlick</SPAN></FONT></P>
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size=2><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Sent: Monday,
January 10, 2005 8:28 PM</SPAN></FONT></P>
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size=2><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Subject:
Sportsman revisited / Growing Pattern</SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Guys,</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Here
are some (more) ideas regarding Sportsman and new pattern pilots. If you're
sick of this then don't read, but if not... The two obvious threats to
membership in the NSRCA are: 1. Losing current members. 2. NOT finding new
ones.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I can add
some insight into problem #2 -</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Before we
condemn the current Sportsman pattern and invest time trying to build a new
one, give this some thought. If you want to increase interest in pattern, the
first thing that needs to be done is make the NSRCA a little bit more
noticeable to the aero-modeling community in general. I can't speak for all of
the country, but in my area (CT) almost no one has heard of pattern.
Seriously. About 15 years ago this wasn't the case, but right now, that's how
it is. When I do meet a pattern flyer they're usually older than me and
remember the good old days but can't find anyone to fly with or any contests
to go to. It took me a while to find out about you guys and I was LOOKING. The
LHS owner thought pattern was some type of racing. Everyone is either flying
Park Flyers or 3D. Luckily I got a hold of a K-Factor and a D1 contest
schedule or I would still be flying my Kaos at the baseball field. The Pattern
Primers are a VERY GOOD THING!!! We need more of them, or something like them.
A lot of people are a little bit afraid to go to a "real" contest. Remember,
pattern still has a certain aura surrounding it that intimidates beginners.
When you leave your first Pattern Primer, you know where you stand. You either
go home and practice or you give up. Maybe there needs to be a follow-up of
some kind if someone doesn't come back. Get enough information from Pattern
Primer entrants so that someone can call them if they don't show up at any
more contests. Extra work yes, but this might provide some answers. Right now
we're guessing at a lot of things. I honestly don't think the Sportsman
schedule is at fault. Could it be better? Maybe. Does it need to be? Maybe
not. Since we don't need to submit any rule changes until September (is this
correct?) why don't we use the time to gather some more information. Maybe put
some more of those poles up on RCU. Ask the general public what they think
about the Sportsman schedule and entering a pattern contest. They're the ones
we're trying to attract. In the meantime, anyone who is working with people
that plan on attending their first contest this season, try to assess their
progress and what is giving them the most trouble. Then we'll have some real
life answers instead of guessing. I don't think there's any ONE thing that we
can do to improve things immediately. It is a complicated problem, but as with
anything complicated it can usually be broken down into small elements. Fix as
many as possible. It won't happen overnight but it WILL happen if we work
together. I don't want to see pattern disappear from the AMA rule book and I
don't think anyone else does either. Sportsman is the seed that keeps pattern
alive. OK so it's not the prettiest thing to watch sometimes, but we all have
to start somewhere.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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problem #1 - I think I've already invited enough criticism. I'll leave that to
someone higher up on the food chain...</SPAN></FONT></P>
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