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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Hmmm… </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Sportsman as a learning class – how’s
that for a paradigm (whatever THAT is…) – and I think judge / coaching’s
much more acceptable there than in the higher classes. </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>When I flew Sportsman not too long ago, I
routinely asked judges for feedback immediately after I landed –
sometimes they’d give it – sometimes not. Sometimes the two judges
had differing opinions, which was always a treat. </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Now, when I’m in the chair, I use a
system similar to Lance’s to note my perceptions of the flight I’m
judging – in the margins of the scoresheet. Might help trigger the victim
/ pilot to ask me about them, and will certainly help me remember why I gave
that score, if asked. </span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The pattern community just isn’t
that big, and the guys in this year’s sportsman class will be right
beside us in Masters / FAI in a few years if they stay with it. We’re not
just scoring their flights, we’re welcoming them into the community. If
we do it right, we’ll be flying with these guys for a long time. –
I believe it’s possible to be fair and impartial in the chair and still
provide an item or two of immediate post-flight feedback to the pilot. My
informal ground rules for this: </span></font></p>
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color:navy'>-<font size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></font></span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Talk to the pilot AFTER score
sheet’s finished and put away or turned in. The pilot doesn’t get
to look over a judge’s shoulder at his score sheet ever. </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.25in'><font size=2
color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>-<font size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></font></span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Ensure that the other
judge is OK w/ making comments – defer to him if he’s a more senior
guy. </span></font></p>
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color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>-<font size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></font></span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Never push comments on
the pilot – if he indicates he’s interested, point out one or two
things, </span></font></p>
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color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
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</span></font></span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Make comments in a
positive manner (“You might try holding a notch of throttle at the top of
the stall turn, and hitting the rudder a tad earlier.”) </span></font></p>
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</span></font></span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Don’t allow the short
dialog to slow the pace of the contest—the next pilot up has priority
once he’s been cleared to start his engine. </span></font></p>
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color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
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</span></font></span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>When asked I’m willing
to </span></font></p>
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color:navy'>o<font size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></font></span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>either coach the pilot by
watching others’ flights (preferably in another class) and discussing
techniques (OUT of earshot of anyone else, esp the flight line) </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.25in;text-indent:-.25in'><font size=2
color=navy face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
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</span></font></span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>meet w/ the pilot after
the round for a detailed discussion of perceptions of his flight- the debrief
marks are already on his score sheet. </span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Just my $.02 – </span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Rick </span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> discussion-request@nsrca.org
[mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></b>Bob Pastorello<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, January 13, 2005
9:15 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> discussion@nsrca.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: Judge Feedback -
Winning... Knowledge or Talent?</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Keith - as you know - there is a
fine line, which is quite fuzzy, between "pointing out defects" and
"coaching". In fact, it is nearly indistinguishable at times.</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> For example, if I
point out to someone that they were violating the box on a turnaround, VERY
often the reply is "What should I do about it?"</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> If the Judge is a
"natural coach", he answers from his experience.</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>And that's where the unfair
advantage begins.</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Not saying we can't keep it all
straight, but MANY, MANY pilots want just a skosh more info than "your
roll was off-center left"....</span></font></p>
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Bob Pastorello<br>
NSRCA 199 AMA 46373<br>
<a href="mailto:rcaerobob@cox.net">rcaerobob@cox.net</a><br>
<a href="http://www.rcaerobats.net">www.rcaerobats.net</a></span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:tkeithb@comcast.net" title="tkeithb@comcast.net">Keith Black</a> </span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org" title="discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</a>
</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Thursday,
January 13, 2005 1:11 PM</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Re: Judge
Feedback - Winning... Knowledge or Talent?</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I can understand the comments I'm
hearing from the FAI contingent for FAI and possibly Masters.</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Now let's talk about the lower
classes. </span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Should the winner of a lower class
win because they are the best pilot, or because their competition is kept in
the dark? </span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>From comments here it seems that
some would be upset if a judge let their competitor know about something they
were not aware of. If a judge tells a Sportsman or Intermediate pilot they were
out of the box or their square was a rectangle why should their competitors be
upset? To be upset suggests that you want your competitor kept in the dark
because you're afraid you can't beat them if they are made aware of what
they're doing wrong.</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I for one regularly point out
mistakes to those I'm flying against, and others do the same for me. For that
matter I call for those I fly against whether they're in my club or not, and
when I'm standing there as their caller my objective is to help them get the
best flight possible. I KNOW I've given advice that may have helped people beat
me, so what? If they beat me it's because they were better than me. If I win I
want it to be because I was better than the other pilots and not because we have
rules that inhibit them being told they're flying a maneuver wrong. Give
them the info and put them on a level playing field. </span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Everyone in the lower classes enjoys
winning a contests, but that's not the focus (for me at least). I'm there to
improve and have fun hanging around my pattern buddies. Even if I win a lower
class I know I'm still not the best pilot, clearly the majority of the guys at
the contest could kick my back-side. So why get so hung up on winning in
the lower classes? Give us all the information possible so maybe one day we can
be up there with you serious guys. Until then we're just fighting about who's
the best not as good as most pilot.</span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:akfai@gci.net" title="akfai@gci.net">Andre Bouchard</a> </span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org" title="discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</a>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Wednesday,
January 12, 2005 11:22 PM</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Re: Judge
Feedback</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Philosophically, I believe that
judges providing feedback to contestants, or contestants soliciting
feedback during a contest is inappropriate, if not unethical. If the
feedback were shared among all contestants, then maybe no inequities would be
created, but this is not what happens in practice, nor can it practically.</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I appreciate the interest in
nurturing the sport and helping the newcomer, but who decides when a person
gets feedback and when they do not. Terry suggests feedback might be
permissible in Sportsman. I can see the value in that, but again, unless
the feedback for each contestant is shared with all the contests in the class,
someone is being advantaged or disadvantaged. How is letting one guy have
a re-flight when his engine dies during a round any different from giving the
same guy a pointer about his flying and not his competition?</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>It is not just the Sportsman pilot
that the feedback is being given to; in my experience, judge feedback,
judge initiated or contestant initiated, occurs in all classes at
most contests. At major contests, for example the World
Championships, care is taken to avoid contact between judges and
contestants. Why?...To avoid biasing the results. It is a matter of
fairness, and of ethics/professionalism.</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>If we are going to openly give
feedback at contests, then we need formal guidelines in the same way we
need guidelines for judging maneuvers--uniform application.</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I think a better forum
for the newcomer to get feedback on his flying would be to have pattern
seminars (flying) along the lines of what was done in Houston in spring
2004.</span></font></p>
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href="mailto:amad2terry@juno.com" title="amad2terry@juno.com">Terry Terrenoire</a>
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href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org" title="discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</a>
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January 12, 2005 4:55 PM</span></font></p>
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Feedback</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>While I certainly respect Earl's comments, he has a
long history that gives him some insite, I cold not disagree more. Taken as a
whole they have great merit, but i don't see them applying to the Sportsman
level. I some cases I have seen Sportsman entrants fly maneuvers the way they
believed they should look, but were completely wrong. most of the constructive
criticisms I have rendered from the chair were of a very general nature.
"establish a line between manuvers", "call box entries and
exits" "if you get the wings level before entry your loops will be
easier to keep on path"</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>I don't think the judes will be saying anything that
causes conflict between them when critiquing at the Sportsman level. All the
comments I have made to these pilots has been genuinely appreciated.</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>We have to remember that a lot of them have noone at
their home field to help them. They may be trying this for the first time, and
if we can give them some good help, it may bring them back!!</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 08:15:04 -0600 "Earl
Haury" <<a href="mailto:ehaury@houston.rr.com">ehaury@houston.rr.com</a>>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Here are some considerations
regarding judges providing feedback to competitors the we should address. </span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>The key word is
"competitors". Judges score individuals performances in competitions
that are held to ascertain the relative skills of competitors to perform
according to stated rules and descriptions. Being a competition - one should
assume that flyers present their patterns to the unbiased judge sets and the
let scores describe the ranking. </span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>The presumption is that the
competitors arrive prepared to compete. Those who have worked the hardest on
this preparation will (and should) generally excel. A pattern contest isn't
intended to be a training ground, but a review of achievement and peer
comparison. Judges who provide feedback have good intentions, but there
are questions that deserve attention. Isn't the job of the judge to provide the
correct score for each maneuver? Is it appropriate for the judge
to (mis)direct attention to make notations for post flight feedback?
Will the feedback be consistent to all competitors, or "buddy
biased"? Is it fair to my competition for judges to point out my errors so
that I can correct them in subsequent flights? If judges with largely different
scores on a specific maneuver offer feedback and disagree - then what? In the
latter, will this disagreement influence a ju</span></font><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>dge to change
standards mid-round? What if some wish to discuss feedback, or
argue with it, at the expense of delaying the next flight? What if
this agitates the judges and you're next up? </span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I realize that the gist of the
feedback issue is to benefit the newbie, but the above points apply here also.
We seem to accept that anyone, without practice or proper equipment or preparation
(reading the rules), should be able to fly successfully in some form of
"beginner" class. This doesn't happen - and we've fiddled with the
rules of the beginner class for years to little avail. Unfortunately, the
judges feedback at a contest isn't going to help the unprepared. What will help
is mentoring - but not from the judges chair! </span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>The best place to help the newbie is
at the practice field where everything can be addressed. Coach these folks,
provide feedback and assistance. Judge flights, take notes, and critique. Help
trim their airplane, be supportive with equipment maintenance, etc. Get them
prepared for those first contests, call for them, critique their flights,
evaluate their scores, help them in every way as a coach and friend, and pattern
will gain in numbers. Just don't do this from the judges chair - judging is the
only job then. </span></font></p>
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