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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=150260304-14012005>Right
on Rick. I understand the issues involved with judges providing feedback
but I too think it should be a little bit more lenient as far as Sportsman
goes. It's great if you can get someone from Advanced or Masters to call for you
(thanks Ed) but this isn't always possible. Sportsman <EM>is </EM>the learning
class and it's good to get feedback after a flight. It helped me a lot. I
expect it to be different this year in Intermediate but that's Ok too. By the
way, I can fly a lot slower now... Thanks guys.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<P><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT face=Arial size=2>John Pavlick<SPAN
class=150260304-14012005> (AKA Captain Ballistic)</SPAN><BR><A
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<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=150260304-14012005> </SPAN>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
discussion-request@nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org]<B>On Behalf
Of </B>rick wallace<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 13, 2005 10:49
PM<BR><B>To:</B> discussion@nsrca.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: Judge Feedback -
Winning... Knowledge or Talent?<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
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style="COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Hmmm…
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Sportsman as a
learning class – how’s that for a paradigm (whatever THAT is…) – and I think
judge / coaching’s much more acceptable there than in the higher classes.
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">When I flew Sportsman
not too long ago, I routinely asked judges for feedback immediately after I
landed – sometimes they’d give it – sometimes not. Sometimes the two judges
had differing opinions, which was always a treat. </SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Now, when I’m in the
chair, I use a system similar to Lance’s to note my perceptions of the flight
I’m judging – in the margins of the scoresheet. Might help trigger the victim
/ pilot to ask me about them, and will certainly help me remember why I gave
that score, if asked. </SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">The pattern community
just isn’t that big, and the guys in this year’s sportsman class will be right
beside us in Masters / FAI in a few years if they stay with it. We’re not just
scoring their flights, we’re welcoming them into the community. If we do it
right, we’ll be flying with these guys for a long time. – I believe it’s
possible to be fair and impartial in the chair and still provide an item or
two of immediate post-flight feedback to the pilot. My informal ground rules
for this: </SPAN></FONT></P>
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</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=navy face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Talk to the pilot
AFTER score sheet’s finished and put away or turned in. The pilot doesn’t get
to look over a judge’s shoulder at his score sheet ever. </SPAN></FONT></P>
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color=navy face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">-<FONT
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</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=navy face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Ensure that the other
judge is OK w/ making comments – defer to him if he’s a more senior guy.
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style="COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">-<FONT
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</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=navy face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Never push comments
on the pilot – if he indicates he’s interested, point out one or two things,
</SPAN></FONT></P>
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</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=navy face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Make comments in a
positive manner (“You might try holding a notch of throttle at the top of the
stall turn, and hitting the rudder a tad earlier.”) </SPAN></FONT></P>
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color=navy face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">-<FONT
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</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=navy face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Don’t allow the short
dialog to slow the pace of the contest—the next pilot up has priority once
he’s been cleared to start his engine. </SPAN></FONT></P>
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</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=navy face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">When asked I’m
willing to </SPAN></FONT></P>
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</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=navy face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">either coach the
pilot by watching others’ flights (preferably in another class) and discussing
techniques (OUT of earshot of anyone else, esp the flight line)
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</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=navy face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">meet w/ the pilot
after the round for a detailed discussion of perceptions of his flight- the
debrief marks are already on his score sheet. </SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Just my $.02 –
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Rick
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