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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ed:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The Scale Aerobatics rules don't even use box
boundaries anymore. There used to be a 150 degree box, but that was eliminated
as part of a set of changes that someone theorized would help make the footprint
smaller. It's not even worth going into all the related changes and
"logic" behind them, it just goes in a big circle and never makes any
sense. Anyway, turnaround is alot easier when it doesn't matter where you
decide to place figures. There is no longer any objective criteria to
guide you about where to place figures since they got rid of the centering
scoring. All that you really have to do now in Scale Aerobatics is to fly
them in the correct order.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The Basic class for Scale Aerobatics does really
well here in the Northeast too. However, you hardly ever see anyone ever
make it to Unlimited or stay there very long and there are only a small handful
of guys that achieve in Advanced. The new Intermediate class does well,
but it seems to be the falling off point for alot of guys. What you
tend to see in the IMAC ranks is alot of guys that want to zoom to the top, that
really don't learn a heck of a lot about the basics and they never can succeed
beyond the lower and mid-level classes. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I think that there is just alot of appeal to the
big gas stuff for a lot of guys. The airplanes are impressive looking,
they can do all that fun fliffle-flaffle 3D stuff with ease and in general, you
can just toss them around easily if you feel like it. It's fun, but
alot of guys spend way more time hanging it on the prop than doing any real
practicing. What I saw in Scale Aerobatics competition was only a small
core group that were real serious competitors and a lot of transients with alot
of money to spend to try it out. I had to get out of it because the
direction that the rules were taking seemed absurd to me. Alot of the new
guys don't seem to mind much how the rules are structured, because it's not
necessarily about precision aerobatics for alot of them. It's really a
very different event with a different mindset for the people that are shaping
it's direction. It's meant to follow whatever the IAC does, which isn't
necessarily a good thing if you are flying models. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ed</FONT></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=divesplat@yahoo.com href="mailto:divesplat@yahoo.com">Ed Deaver</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 15, 2005 3:54
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Schedule design - Your
homework assignment should you chose to accept it.</DIV>
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<DIV>Hey Guys. I have only flown Turnaround, and never flew the
beginning level. I have a question, but this is not antagonistic, really
am curious about opinions.</DIV>
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<DIV>Other than the box being much bigger(and this may be the key to the
answer), IMAC flies with turnaround in Basic. I see results to IMAC
contests with up to 15-20 Basic pilots. MY question would be, if
turnaround is so difficult to learn, why is Basic in IMAC flourishing(at some
contests, especially this past year, in my region, Tx?)</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Again, not arguing, just curious on opinions.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Thanx</DIV>
<DIV>ed<BR><BR><B><I>Verne Koester <verne@twmi.rr.com></I></B>
wrote:</DIV>
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style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Eric,<BR>The
main maneuvers in 401 & 402 were purposely left the same. The main
<BR>lesson in 402 is turnaround which is more than plenty for most. The
pilot <BR>gets to bring everything learned in Sportsman with him. In fact,
while <BR>competing in 401, one could be practicing for 402 without changing
much. <BR>That's the beauty of the design. For me, and many pilots I've
discussed this <BR>with agree, the hardest things learned flying pattern
with number one being <BR>the hardest are as follows:<BR><BR>1. Flying
turnaround<BR><BR>2. Slow Roll<BR><BR>3. 4 Point Roll<BR><BR>4. Any Roll
that changes direction such as Reverse Knife Edge<BR><BR>Of those I've
talked to, some had a harder time learning the 4 point and <BR>some the slow
roll so 2 & 3 are interchangeable. However, the transition to
<BR>turnaround is undoubtedly the toughest of all which is why everything
else <BR>going from Sportsman to Intermediate was left the
same.<BR><BR>Verne<BR><BR><BR>----- Original Message ----- <BR>From: "Grow
Pattern" <PATTERN4U@COMCAST.NET><BR>To: <DISCUSSION@NSRCA.ORG><BR>Sent:
Friday, January 14, 2005 11:36 PM<BR>Subject: Re: Schedule design - Your
homework assignment should you chose to <BR>accept it.<BR><BR><BR>> Thank
you Verne,<BR>><BR>> Ref. Eric, "Here yaw go. I doubt something this
radical would ever be <BR>> accepted, but at<BR>> least it will serve
to underline some of the concepts I was discussing and<BR>> defending
recently on the List"<BR>><BR>> Verne,<BR>> It's actually not that
radical and you get bonus points for <BR>> doing three of them
:-)<BR>><BR>> Now, if you feel so inclined the, next part of the task
would be to match <BR>> the maneuvers. What we did/do is take each
maneuver and trace how trains <BR>> the pilot for the next level up. Then
sometimes you tweak the maneuver.<BR>><BR>> For example, in your work
below I would match the double stall turns and <BR>> do the
following;<BR>> 401 - Double Stall Turn<BR>> 402 - Double Stall
Turn<BR>> 403 - Double Stall Turn w/Half Rolls<BR>> 404
etc.<BR>><BR>> What leaps out at me is the 402 could be tweaked to
have 1/4 rolls and <BR>> then you would have a pretty darn good ladder to
climb with no rungs <BR>> missing.<BR>><BR>> 401 - Double Stall
Turn<BR>> 402 - Double Stall Turn w/Quarter Rolls<BR>> 403 - Double
Stall Turn w/Half Rolls<BR>><BR>> What do you think?<BR>><BR>>
Regards,<BR>><BR>> Eric.<BR>><BR>> P.S. Even though this is an
exercise it does allow you to show how <BR>> interested you might be in
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