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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> I’m definitely no
expert on civilian twins, but I did stay in a Holiday Express once. The
only light twin I’ve ever flown was a Piper Seminole when I was getting
my ATP. The whole discussion was prompted after the 20 year old ME-CF-Double
I reached over and fully feathered #2 without warning (can you DO THAT?!?!?)
during a training flight at 1500 AGL down the beautiful Pensacola Beach –
well out of gliding range of any concrete. The airplane did maintain altitude
and would actually climb if you looked at the Vertical Velocity needle very,
very closely. This was in August, two guys, and no luggage. Add a
two more people and their baggage and you may be meeting some sunbathers. . . .<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> Needless to say, after the
flight I had many questions about the single engine capability of the Piper
Seminole. He explained to me that while most, if not all light
(<12,500 lb.) twin engine airplanes will maintain or climb on one engine,
they are not required to prove it to the FAA during certification at all gross
weights and conditions. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> Like they say, your
mileage may vary.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoAutoSig><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Keith L. Hoard<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoAutoSig><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on"><font size=2
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w:st="on">TN</st1:State></span></font></st1:place><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoAutoSig><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>khoard@midsouth.rr.com<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:windowtext;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:windowtext'> discussion-request@nsrca.org
[mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></b>Bill Glaze<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, January 25, 2005
1:12 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> discussion@nsrca.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: any merit in running
dual battery packs ?</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Most of the twins I know of will maintain...Even the
Apache was supposed to maintain 4400ft. on a single engine. Only one I am
aware of, (mark that statement) that wouldn't maintain some altitude on one
engine, was the Citabria twin. Double your pleasure, Double your
fun...........as I remember the Advertisement.........or was that for chewing
gun? Oh, Well.......another RvP Senior Moment.........<br>
Bill Glaze<br>
<br>
Keith Hoard wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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</xml><![endif]--></u1:SmartTagType></u1:SmartTagType></u1:SmartTagType>Only if
the plane weighs more than 12,500 lbs. Any certified airplane less than
that weight is not required to maintain level flight on a single engine.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I don’t know what the certification
process was back in Lindberg’s time, though.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoAutoSig><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Keith L. Hoard<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Cordova</span></font></st1:City><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'></st1:City>, <st1:State u4:st="on"><st1:State w:st="on">TN</st1:State></st1:State></span></font></st1:place></st1:place><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoAutoSig><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><a href="mailto:khoard@midsouth.rr.com">khoard@midsouth.rr.com</a><u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:windowtext;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:windowtext'> <a href="mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org">discussion-request@nsrca.org</a>
[<a href="mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org">mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org</a>]
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Bill Glaze<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, January 25, 2005
12:25 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <a
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</a><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: any merit in running
dual battery packs ?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Bob:<br>
Never heard that story. thanks. Also, nowadays twin engine
airplanes can maintain a safe altitude on a single engine. Or so they
told me when I got my type rating on the 757/767.<span class=moz-smiley-s4>
:-P </span>Sure hope they weren't kidding me! Bill Glaze<br>
<br>
Bob Richards wrote:<br>
<br>
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</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Bill,<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>OTOH, remember the Rutan Voyager? Two centerline
engines, the front engine was to be shut off and feathered after it was no
longer needed. Rutan wanted to leave the electric starter off, since it would
not be needed once it left the ground. The engine maker (Teledyne?) convinced him
to keep the starter on, "just in case".<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Halfway around the world, a fuel managment problem
caused the rear engine to momentarily quit, and the nose-down glide prevented
the fuel pickup to draw fuel again to the rear engine. The front engine was
started again, and once level flight was established the fuel began flowing
again to the rear engine. (Best recollection of the story that I can remember
from reading Dick Rutan's book).<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>You can never think of all the ways redundancy can
pull your a** out of the fire!!<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<b><i><span style='font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>Bill Glaze <a
href="mailto:billglaze@triad.rr.com"><billglaze@triad.rr.com></a></span></i></b>
wrote:<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>In those days a twin engine airplane couldn't
maintain flight on just one engine, in most cases. So, in his book, (We)
Lindbergh stated that twin engines "gave twice as much chance of an engine
failure." The only thing two engines did, was to insure that you had
enough power to make it to the crash scene.<br>
Bill Glaze<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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