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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>You didn’t hear it down there?<span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>;-)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> discussion-request@nsrca.org
[mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></b>Ron Van Putte<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, January 28, 2005
8:25 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> discussion@nsrca.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [SPAM] Re: Snao G's</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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On Jan 28, 2005, at 7:05 PM, Cameron Smith wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,8080><?x-tad-bigger>I
look at it more as “Energy Management”. I’m replacing wings on a
large gasser from “Poor Energy Management” Dropped it to far with NO throttle
& Pulled a Sharp Parachute and the Crack could be heard across the county.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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Cameron - Was it a big county? <BG><br>
<br>
Ron Van Putte<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'><?x-tad-bigger>----Original Message-----<br>
<?/x-tad-bigger><b><?x-tad-bigger><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span><?/x-tad-bigger></b><?x-tad-bigger>
discussion-request@nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org] <b><?x-tad-bigger><span
style='font-weight:bold'><?/x-tad-bigger>On Behalf Of </span><?/x-tad-bigger></b><?x-tad-bigger>Ken
Thompson III<br>
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Friday, January 28, 2005 5:57 PM<br>
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discussion@nsrca.org<br>
<?/x-tad-bigger><b><?x-tad-bigger><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span><?/x-tad-bigger></b><?x-tad-bigger>
Re: [SPAM] Re: Snao G's<br>
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<?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>Walls I can see the stress, however I
understand that the correct way to enter a wall is at 1/4 throttle or
less. I'm not one of those big ego guys, so correct me if I'm wrong.<br>
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<?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>Parachutes are more of a controlled
fall, from a partial wall up high, and Blenders begin from a stalled
state. Of course when you slam the throttle to push the plane through the
Blender, that could hurt a bunch.<br>
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<?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>Ken<br>
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<?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>----- Original Message -----<br>
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<b><?x-tad-bigger><span style='font-weight:bold'><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger><?/x-tad-bigger>From:</span><?/x-tad-bigger></b><?x-tad-bigger>
<?/x-tad-bigger><?color><?param 0000,0000,FFFF><?x-tad-bigger>Ed Alt<?/x-tad-bigger><?/color><?x-tad-bigger>
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<?/x-tad-bigger><?color><?param 0000,0000,FFFF><?x-tad-bigger>discussion@nsrca.org<?/x-tad-bigger><?/color><?x-tad-bigger>
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Friday, January 28, 2005 5:05 PM<br>
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<b><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily></b><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>
[SPAM] Re: Snao G's<br>
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<?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>Yep, but the transition into it can
be stressful. Stuff like Walls, Parachutes, Blenders, certain brands of Waterfalls
put mucho strain in the airframe. <br>
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<?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>Ed<br>
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<?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>----- Original Message -----<br>
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<b><?x-tad-bigger><span style='font-weight:bold'><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger><?/x-tad-bigger>From:</span><?/x-tad-bigger></b><?x-tad-bigger>
<?/x-tad-bigger><?color><?param 0000,0000,FFFF><?x-tad-bigger>Ken Thompson III<?/x-tad-bigger><?/color><?x-tad-bigger>
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<?/x-tad-bigger><?color><?param 0000,0000,FFFF><?x-tad-bigger>discussion@nsrca.org<?/x-tad-bigger><?/color><?x-tad-bigger>
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<b><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily></b><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>
Friday, January 28, 2005 4:16 PM<br>
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<b><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily></b><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>
Re: Snao G's<br>
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<?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>Matt,<br>
<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><br>
<?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>I could be wrong, but isn't 3D, by
definition, done in a constant state of stall? Wouldn't that eliminate a
lot of the high G's in the maneuvers? I wouldn't think the airframe would
be in as stressed state, when the flying surface is depending on prop wash, not
air speed, to do it's thing.<br>
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<?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>Ken<br>
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<?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>----- Original Message -----<br>
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<b><?x-tad-bigger><span style='font-weight:bold'><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger><?/x-tad-bigger>From:</span><?/x-tad-bigger></b><?x-tad-bigger>
<?/x-tad-bigger><?color><?param 0000,0000,FFFF><?x-tad-bigger>Rcmaster199@aol.com<?/x-tad-bigger><?/color><?x-tad-bigger>
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<b><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily></b><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>
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<b><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily></b><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>
Friday, January 28, 2005 1:46 PM<br>
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<b><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily></b><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>
Re: Snao G's<br>
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<?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>If this accelerometer is finding 13 G
loads generated by a Pattern model snap, a relatively low amount really, I
imagine that a 3D model set up for a full array of stunts has to be
experiencing double that at least.<br>
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<?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>Earl could you do any 3D type
maneuvers and measurements with the Yak?<br>
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<?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>Very informative discussion BTW, and
may result in improved more efficient building technique, read-- lightest for
the desired strength.<br>
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<?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>thanks<br>
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<?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>matt<br>
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<?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger> <br>
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<?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>In a message dated 1/28/2005 1:32:35
PM Eastern Standard Time, d.pappas@kodeos.com writes:<br>
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<?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>That's proof of stall!<br>
<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><br>
<?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>If the G loading rises suddenly, and
then holds or droops continuously during the roll, then it's probably an
accelerated barrel.<br>
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<?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>If the profile is sudden rise, sudden
drop to maybe 1/2, then onload, you have a real snap.<br>
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<?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>Yia,<br>
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<?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger> Dean<br>
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<?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman><?x-tad-bigger>Dean Pappas<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>
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<?x-tad-bigger>-----Original Message-----<br>
<?/x-tad-bigger><b><?x-tad-bigger><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span><?/x-tad-bigger></b><?x-tad-bigger>
discussion-request@nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org]<b><?x-tad-bigger><span
style='font-weight:bold'><?/x-tad-bigger>On Behalf Of </span><?/x-tad-bigger></b><?x-tad-bigger>Rcmaster199@aol.com<br>
<?/x-tad-bigger><b><?x-tad-bigger><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span><?/x-tad-bigger></b><?x-tad-bigger>
Friday, January 28, 2005 11:45 AM<br>
<?/x-tad-bigger><b><?x-tad-bigger><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span><?/x-tad-bigger></b><?x-tad-bigger>
discussion@nsrca.org<br>
<?/x-tad-bigger><b><?x-tad-bigger><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span><?/x-tad-bigger></b><?x-tad-bigger>
Re: Snao G's<br>
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<?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>Good point. Once in the stall, the
model should not see the same continued G load. Should drop
dramatically. If the plane doesn't stall to begin with, different story.<br>
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<?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>Matt<br>
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<?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>In a message dated 1/28/2005 11:23:25
AM Eastern Standard Time, d.pappas@kodeos.com writes:<br>
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<?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,FFFF><?x-tad-bigger>Let me
add another two cents worth ...<br>
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<?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,FFFF><?x-tad-bigger>Earl,<br>
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<?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,FFFF><?x-tad-bigger>What
is the sampling rate on your data logger?<br>
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<?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,FFFF><?x-tad-bigger>Can
you see if the maximum 13-Gs at 100 MPH was sustained for the entire half
second or so that it took to complete the snap,<br>
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<?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,FFFF><?x-tad-bigger>or was
it a short spike (like 0.1 second) and then sustained at say half of
that value, for the rest of the snap.<br>
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<?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,FFFF><?x-tad-bigger>Of
course, if the data logger samples once a second, we have almost no way of knowing.<br>
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<?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,FFFF><?x-tad-bigger>Later,<br>
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