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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I live in the same county, about 15 minutes from
the field. The house shook, we thought the air force was doing supersonic
manuevers out of Dobbins AFB. Sounded like a sonic boom, with a distinct
cracking added. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Then about an hour later, I get a call: "I'm coming
over, you HAVE to see this!"</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Next thing I know Cam pulls up in my front yard and
drags out a familiar wing with a severe crack about where the wing tube
terminates. Ouch.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>So it wasn't a sonic boom after all, Cam was just
doing 3D =)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>-Mike</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=dentdoc007@bellsouth.net
href="mailto:dentdoc007@bellsouth.net">Cameron Smith</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, January 28, 2005 9:33
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [SPAM] Re: Snao G's</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">You didn’t hear it
down there?<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>;-)<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original
Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> <A
href="mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org">discussion-request@nsrca.org</A>
[mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On
Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Ron Van Putte<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Friday, January 28, 2005 8:25
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <A
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [SPAM] Re: Snao
G's</SPAN></FONT></P>
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size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><BR>On Jan 28,
2005, at 7:05 PM, Cameron Smith wrote:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,8080><?x-tad-bigger>I
look at it more as “Energy Management”. I’m replacing wings on a
large gasser from “Poor Energy Management” Dropped it to far with NO throttle
& Pulled a Sharp Parachute and the Crack could be heard across the
county.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><?/x-tad-bigger><?/color><?/fontfamily>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><BR>Cameron - Was
it a big county? <BG><BR><BR>Ron Van Putte<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><?x-tad-bigger>----Original
Message-----<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><B><?x-tad-bigger><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN><?/x-tad-bigger></B><?x-tad-bigger>
discussion-request@nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org] <B><?x-tad-bigger><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold"><?/x-tad-bigger>On Behalf Of
</SPAN><?/x-tad-bigger></B><?x-tad-bigger>Ken Thompson
III<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><B><?x-tad-bigger><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN><?/x-tad-bigger></B><?x-tad-bigger>
Friday, January 28, 2005 5:57 PM<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><B><?x-tad-bigger><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN><?/x-tad-bigger></B><?x-tad-bigger>
discussion@nsrca.org<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><B><?x-tad-bigger><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN><?/x-tad-bigger></B><?x-tad-bigger>
Re: [SPAM] Re: Snao G's<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><BR><?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger> <BR><?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>Walls
I can see the stress, however I understand that the correct way to enter a
wall is at 1/4 throttle or less. I'm not one of those big ego guys, so
correct me if I'm wrong.<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>Parachutes
are more of a controlled fall, from a partial wall up high, and Blenders begin
from a stalled state. Of course when you slam the throttle to push the
plane through the Blender, that could hurt a bunch.<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger> <BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>Ken<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger> <BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger> <BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger> <BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>-----
Original Message
-----<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><B><?x-tad-bigger><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold"><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger><?/x-tad-bigger>From:</SPAN><?/x-tad-bigger></B><?x-tad-bigger>
<?/x-tad-bigger><?color><?param 0000,0000,FFFF><?x-tad-bigger>Ed Alt<?/x-tad-bigger><?/color><?x-tad-bigger>
<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily></B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>
<?/x-tad-bigger><?color><?param 0000,0000,FFFF><?x-tad-bigger>discussion@nsrca.org<?/x-tad-bigger><?/color><?x-tad-bigger>
<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily></B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>
Friday, January 28, 2005 5:05 PM<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily></B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>
[SPAM] Re: Snao G's<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger> <BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>Yep,
but the transition into it can be stressful. Stuff like Walls,
Parachutes, Blenders, certain brands of Waterfalls put mucho strain in the
airframe. <BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>Ed<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>-----
Original Message
-----<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><B><?x-tad-bigger><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold"><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger><?/x-tad-bigger>From:</SPAN><?/x-tad-bigger></B><?x-tad-bigger>
<?/x-tad-bigger><?color><?param 0000,0000,FFFF><?x-tad-bigger>Ken Thompson III<?/x-tad-bigger><?/color><?x-tad-bigger>
<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily></B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>
<?/x-tad-bigger><?color><?param 0000,0000,FFFF><?x-tad-bigger>discussion@nsrca.org<?/x-tad-bigger><?/color><?x-tad-bigger>
<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily></B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>
Friday, January 28, 2005 4:16 PM<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily></B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>
Re: Snao G's<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger> <BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>Matt,<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>I
could be wrong, but isn't 3D, by definition, done in a constant state of
stall? Wouldn't that eliminate a lot of the high G's in the
maneuvers? I wouldn't think the airframe would be in as stressed state,
when the flying surface is depending on prop wash, not air speed, to do it's
thing.<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger> <BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>Ken<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>-----
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-----<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><B><?x-tad-bigger><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold"><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger><?/x-tad-bigger>From:</SPAN><?/x-tad-bigger></B><?x-tad-bigger>
<?/x-tad-bigger><?color><?param 0000,0000,FFFF><?x-tad-bigger>Rcmaster199@aol.com<?/x-tad-bigger><?/color><?x-tad-bigger>
<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily></B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>
<?/x-tad-bigger><?color><?param 0000,0000,FFFF><?x-tad-bigger>discussion@nsrca.org<?/x-tad-bigger><?/color><?x-tad-bigger>
<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily></B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>
Friday, January 28, 2005 1:46 PM<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily></B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>
Re: Snao G's<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger> <BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>If
this accelerometer is finding 13 G loads generated by a Pattern model
snap, a relatively low amount really, I imagine that a 3D model set up for a
full array of stunts has to be experiencing double that at least.<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger> <BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>Earl
could you do any 3D type maneuvers and measurements with the Yak?<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger> <BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>Very
informative discussion BTW, and may result in improved more efficient building
technique, read-- lightest for the desired strength.<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger> <BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>thanks<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger> <BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>matt<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger> <BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>In
a message dated 1/28/2005 1:32:35 PM Eastern Standard Time,
d.pappas@kodeos.com writes:<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>That's
proof of stall!<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>If
the G loading rises suddenly, and then holds or droops continuously during the
roll, then it's probably an accelerated barrel.<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>If
the profile is sudden rise, sudden drop to maybe 1/2, then onload, you have a
real snap.<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger> <BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>Yia,<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>
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<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?x-tad-bigger>-----Original
Message-----<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><B><?x-tad-bigger><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN><?/x-tad-bigger></B><?x-tad-bigger>
discussion-request@nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org]<B><?x-tad-bigger><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold"><?/x-tad-bigger>On Behalf Of
</SPAN><?/x-tad-bigger></B><?x-tad-bigger>Rcmaster199@aol.com<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><B><?x-tad-bigger><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN><?/x-tad-bigger></B><?x-tad-bigger>
Friday, January 28, 2005 11:45 AM<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><B><?x-tad-bigger><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN><?/x-tad-bigger></B><?x-tad-bigger>
discussion@nsrca.org<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><B><?x-tad-bigger><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN><?/x-tad-bigger></B><?x-tad-bigger>
Re: Snao
G's<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>Good
point. Once in the stall, the model should not see the
same continued G load. Should drop dramatically. If the plane
doesn't stall to begin with, different story.<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger> <BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>Matt<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger> <BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>In
a message dated 1/28/2005 11:23:25 AM Eastern Standard Time,
d.pappas@kodeos.com writes:<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,FFFF><?x-tad-bigger>Let
me add another two cents worth
...<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/color><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,FFFF><?x-tad-bigger>Earl,<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/color><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,FFFF><?x-tad-bigger>What
is the sampling rate on your data logger?<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/color><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,FFFF><?x-tad-bigger>Can
you see if the maximum 13-Gs at 100 MPH was sustained for the entire half
second or so that it took to complete the snap,<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/color><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,FFFF><?x-tad-bigger>or
was it a short spike (like 0.1 second) and then sustained at say
half of that value, for the rest of the snap.<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/color><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,FFFF><?x-tad-bigger>Of
course, if the data logger samples once a second, we have almost no way of
knowing.<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/color><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger> <BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,FFFF><?x-tad-bigger>Later,<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/color><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>
<?/x-tad-bigger><?color><?param 0000,0000,FFFF><?x-tad-bigger>Dean<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/color><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>