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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Dean,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thanks for the info. It will be a big help as I
finish up my Excelleron. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I do have a couple questions though:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>What right and down thrust do you have dialed
in?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Are your incidence measurements using the stab at
"0" and then measuring the wing?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Did you use the manufacturers suggested throws on
the control surfaces?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>BTW - Thanks for all the info.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Pete Cosky</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=d.pappas@kodeos.com href="mailto:d.pappas@kodeos.com">Dean Pappas</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, February 02, 2005
9:43</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Excelleron Trim and CG</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=507153114-02022005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Hi
Nat, and Hi Terry,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=507153114-02022005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>My
Excelleron weighs spot on 9 pounds with the Magnum 120 AR and
15-10.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=507153114-02022005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>The
CG is at 7-1/16" and the total incidence (with the 1/16" positive I
added) is 3/32" as compared to the stab.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=507153114-02022005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>The
plane carried UP elevator trim, until I added the incidence, and the CG had to
be about 7-1/4" back to almost get rid of the trim.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=507153114-02022005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I
didn't like how the airplane flew, there: it was just marginally tail-heavy
and the "lock" in wind suffered.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=507153114-02022005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>The
plane also hinted at climbing out of a 45 climb or dive.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=507153114-02022005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>The
snaps are lovely, and high rate elevator will still cause the plane to "bury"
in the snap, so it ain't nose-heavy.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=507153114-02022005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>The
vertical UP line is straight, and the DOWN line only pulls to the canopy after
a full 4 Mississippi count.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=507153114-02022005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>That's plenty good for anything in the schedule.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=507153114-02022005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>The
knife edges are dead straight, and there are no electronics used. That was
part of my review criteria: entry-level with non-fancy
radios.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=507153114-02022005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>The
plane knife edge loops beautifully, and when you wail on the rudder in the
last 1/4 loop, it does proverse roll a small bit,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=507153114-02022005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>but
this doesn't show at the kind of rudder throw necessary for point
rolls.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=507153114-02022005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I
think this is the easiest knife edge looping ship I've had my hands
on.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=507153114-02022005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I am
contemplating pushing the CG even farther forward, to see if I can get it to
trim properly.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=507153114-02022005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I
think a beginner will benefit from a freight train ... I mean slightly
nose-heavy plane.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=507153114-02022005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Regards,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=507153114-02022005> <FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Dean</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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