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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I took it to mean: If you keep on talking like
that, I'll wash your mouth out with lye soap.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Grinning</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ken B</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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<A title=DaveL322@comcast.net
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, February 02, 2005 10:26
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Re: Composite-ARF Impact
question</DIV>
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<DIV>Consider it analagous to a Tim Taylor "har-har-har" growl/grunt/utterance
of manly approval.</DIV>
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Original message -------------- <BR><BR>> OK - I'll bite - what's a
"Harrumph" in cyber/mail-ease??? <BR>> Is it a <COUGH>, or <SNEER>,
<SNORT>, <BS>.... Which? <BR>> <BR>> OR is it the "how dare you say
such a thing?" <BR>> > <BR>> > From:
<TPH1@BELLSOUTH.NET><BR>> > Date: 2005/02/02 Wed AM 10:52:11 EST
<BR>> > To: <DISCUSSION@NSRCA.ORG><BR>> > Subject: Re: Re:
Composite-ARF Impact question <BR>> > <BR>> > Another Harruummph
is in order. <BR>> > > <BR>> > > From: Bill Southwell
<BNBSOUTHWELL@BELLSOUTH.NET><BR>> > > Date: 2005/02/02 Wed PM
12:13:03 EST <BR>> > > To: discussion@nsrca.org <BR>> > >
Subject: Re: Composite-ARF Impact question <BR>> > > <BR>> >
> <BR>> > > Ed I think you hit the nail on the head. It is hard
on ones ego to <BR>> > > over pay for a product and then find there
are imperfections to boot. <BR>> > > There are a few domestic kit
makers left, lets support them! <BR>> > > <BR>> > > Mark
thats exactly what I have been mad as he## about. Geitz made a <BR>> >
> marketing coo when he got a lot of big name folks to sell and fly his
<BR>> > > stuff as "REP'S". Now they have financial stake to
protect the product <BR>> > > beyond a simple sponsorship. I can't
see a little fellow walking up to <BR>> > > big Andy Kane and
telling him "that's a piece of crap!" You get <BR>> > > intimidated
by "star quality" reps and no lack of them. Brilliant! makes <BR>> >
> for a bunch of sheeple. Who does a little guy think he is challenging
<BR>> > > that system...he would look like "Chicken Little" and
just get a letter <BR>> > > explaining how wrong he is about his
product. <BR>> > > <BR>> > > Lets support all those folks
that are left in the states and get the <BR>> > > pipe line going
again. Heck maybe a few might sprout up if we show some <BR>> > >
interest$$ Look at last years Symphony, Panacea, and the Titan. EVERY
<BR>> > > bit as good and priced a heck of a lot better than
CompARF,ZN Line or PL <BR>> > > Products. Time to be rid of the
Chevy vs BMW mentality. I for one would <BR>> > > say the customer
support at Aeroslave and PAC way out shines the <BR>> > >
"concubines" and the " it's twisted but all 350 fly perfect straight "
<BR>> > > load of ahh... fertilizer. I have delt with the two
companies and find <BR>> > > them to be helpful way beyond
reasonable. When did customer service, <BR>> > > and believing in
the people you are dealing with go out the window when <BR>> > > we
make our purchasing decisions? Why? <BR>> > > <BR>> > > OK
lets have a little bit of feed back from the " no American company <BR>>
> > can match the quality of the European manufactures" supporters and
<BR>> > > discuss this issue. Might be
interesting....................Might help <BR>> > > our Cottage
industry get a little wind in there sales. Wait lets go a <BR>> > >
little further and start a Good guys list if you received a good vale
<BR>> > > for your$$ or a great experience from the supplier
service wise. I'll <BR>> > > put my keyboard were my mouth is and
start the thread her in a minute. I <BR>> > > bet the feed back
might be a breath of fresh air on the list and for all <BR>> > >
those brave souls who try to make our toys for very little reward dollar
<BR>> > > wise or "pat on the back" wise. <BR>> > >
<BR>> > > Plastic scale modeling has been made far, far better due
to cottage <BR>> > > industries. That hobby was on a bad decline
not too many years ago. <BR>> > > Cottage industries made far
better models possible and broke a downward <BR>> > > spiral and
turned it around for scale enthusiast. There are more after <BR>> >
> market companies than kit manufactures today. <BR>> > >
<BR>> > > <BR>> > > I would also like to say thanks to
Adam for getting this thread going <BR>> > > and hope you get your
twist worked out. <BR>> > > <BR>> > > Regards <BR>>
> > Bill " now heaping on the coal" Southwell <BR>> > >
Iuka,MS <BR>> > > <BR>> > > <BR>> > > <BR>>
> > <BR>> > > <BR>> > > <BR>> > > Ed Miller
wrote: <BR>> > > <BR>> > > > The American kit
manufacturers haven't learned the secret. The more <BR>> > > >
one pays for an item, the harder one will defend it and overlook it's
<BR>> > > > deficiencies. We had an abundance of American
cottage industry kits <BR>> > > > manufacturers AND designers,
we drove them out of business with the <BR>> > > > plane of the
week mentality. <BR>> > > > Ed M. <BR>> > > > -----
Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hunt" <BR>> > > >
<FLYINTEXAN@HOUSTON.RR.COM><BR>> > > > To:
<DISCUSSION@NSRCA.ORG><BR>> > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 02,
2005 8:05 AM <BR>> > > > Subject: Re: Composite-ARF Impact
question <BR>> > > > <BR>> > > > <BR>> > >
>> I'm gonna say it.....just can't hold back.....if an Aires fuse was
<BR>> > > >> like this we'd be hearing all about how hard it
is to find a quality <BR>> > > >> pattern kit in the US.
Drives me nuts that so many people have been <BR>> > > >>
fixing this without so much as one bad word about this company..... <BR>>
> > >> <BR>> > > >> <BR>> > > >>
there...I feel better. <BR>> > > >> <BR>> > >
>> <BR>> > > >> ----- Original Message ----- From:
"Keith Black" <TKEITHB@COMCAST.NET><BR>> > > >> To:
<DISCUSSION@NSRCA.ORG><BR>> > > >> Sent: Tuesday, February
01, 2005 11:23 PM <BR>> > > >> Subject: Re: Composite-ARF
Impact question <BR>> > > >> <BR>> > > >>
<BR>> > > >>> OK guys, all this talk has gotten me to take
another look at my new <BR>> > > >>> Impact. <BR>> >
> >>> Here's what I see. <BR>> > > >>>
<BR>> > > >>> 1) I cannot detect any twist in the fin.
Perhaps someone can tell me <BR>> > > >>> how to <BR>>
> > >>> look for this, but I can't see it. <BR>> > >
>>> <BR>> > > >>> 2) If I measure for
straightness in the fuse it is not perfectly <BR>> > > >>>
straight. <BR>> > > >>> It's hard to tell if the left side
is just a little fuller (puffy) <BR>> > > >>> or if it
<BR>> > > >>> is bent. Whatever the case, it's not
perfectly symmetrical. I did <BR>> > > >>> notice <BR>>
> > >>> when mounting the gear that the *inside* of one half
was slightly <BR>> > > >>> flatter <BR>> > >
>>> than the other side. Specifics of my measurements: I lined up
the <BR>> > > >>> fuse on <BR>> > > >>>
graph paper and measured for straightness by setting the nose on the
<BR>> > > >>> center <BR>> > > >>> line
and the tail on the center line. I then took measurements <BR>> > >
>>> periodically <BR>> > > >>> along fuse
checking the distance from the center line (using a <BR>> > >
>>> square). At <BR>> > > >>> the most extreme
point the left side is wider by about 1/4". To <BR>> > >
>>> double check <BR>> > > >>> I then centered
the mid-point of the fuse and the nose. This <BR>> > > >>>
resulted in the <BR>> > > >>> rudder being about 1/4" off
to the right. <BR>> > > >>> <BR>> > >
>>> I know it's preferable to have a perfectly straight fuse, but
<BR>> > > >>> considering <BR>> > > >>>
the overall size of the fuse, how well I've seen other Impacts fly, <BR>>
> > >>> (and the <BR>> > > >>> fact that I
already own it), I'm not going to worry about. With all the <BR>> >
> >>> right thrust discussions held lately I'm sure I can get it
trimmed <BR>> > > >>> to fly <BR>> > >
>>> fine. Also, given it's a molded fuse I'm sure that Jason's was
the <BR>> > > >>> same and <BR>> > > >>>
he did pretty well with his ;-) <BR>> > > >>> <BR>>
> > >>> BTW, I did the same measurements on both of my Aries
fuses prior to <BR>> > > >>> building <BR>> > >
>>> and they were extremely straight. Knowing all the work Lance
and <BR>> > > >>> Gray put <BR>> > > >>>
into the Symphony I'm sure it's dead on as well. <BR>> > >
>>> <BR>> > > >>> Keith Black <BR>> > >
>>> <BR>> > > >>> ----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Southwell" <BR>> > > >>>
<BNBSOUTHWELL@BELLSOUTH.NET><BR>> > > >>> To:
<DISCUSSION@NSRCA.ORG><BR>> > > >>> Sent: Tuesday,
February 01, 2005 8:42 PM <BR>> > > >>> Subject: Re:
Composite-ARF Impact question <BR>> > > >>> <BR>> >
> >>> <BR>> > > >>>> <BR>> > >
>>>> Hi Adam, <BR>> > > >>>> <BR>> >
> >>>> Hey at least no mention of concubines or other strange
behavior. If <BR>> > > >>>> all of you are having a
vision problem ( mass hallucination) there <BR>> > >
>>>> will <BR>> > > >>>> be a group therapy
session at the NATS. I hope this will help all <BR>> > >
>>>> CompARF customers to get with the program...err ah how not
to see <BR>> > > >>>> things. It is funny its no
manufacturing error but everyone has <BR>> > > >>>> had
the <BR>> > > >>>> same issue. I bet the fellow who
crates the fuselages gets a broom <BR>> > > >>>>
tomorrow to work with. You have to be in awe of his consistency in <BR>>
> > >>>> applying pressure to each fuse. Thank goodness he
studied the <BR>> > > >>>> aerodynamics of the
thing...he must be a genius as all 350 fly dead <BR>> > >
>>>> straight now! <BR>> > > >>>> <BR>>
> > >>>> If a manufacture in the states created a ahhh a
well...... "visual <BR>> > > >>>> effect" like that
people would be slamming the same for lack of <BR>> > >
>>>> quality <BR>> > > >>>> and ripping the
customer off. I have talked to several friends who <BR>> > >
>>>> have <BR>> > > >>>> the gassser
CompARF planes and they have reported quality issues and <BR>> > >
>>>> felt that for the money it could have been better. guess
its a case <BR>> > > >>>> of " <BR>> > >
>>>> international tolerance and good will" at work here ( Geez
now I am <BR>> > > >>>> sounding like Mike Savage). I
say don't be intimidated and demand a <BR>> > > >>>>
refund for the banana. He gives you all your ammunition in his <BR>> >
> >>>> reply...well at the bottom any how. I still think if
he added <BR>> > > >>>> something <BR>> > >
>>>> with concubines and court it would be more interesting to
<BR>> > > >>>>
read...................................................Just basking in
<BR>> > > >>>> the flames here :>) <BR>> >
> >>>> <BR>> > > >>>> Regards <BR>>
> > >>>> Bill " medium to well done" Southwell <BR>>
> > >>>> Iuka, MS <BR>> > > >>>>
<BR>> > > >>>> Adam Quennoz wrote: <BR>> > >
>>>> <BR>> > > >>>> > I'm glad to see
others are seeing the same thing. I thought I was <BR>> > >
>>>> > nuts. I e-mailed Composite-ARF about this issue.
Here's the reply: <BR>> > > >>>> > <BR>> >
> >>>> > Hello Adam, <BR>> > > >>>>
> <BR>> > > >>>> > since 350 Impacts come from
the same molds, and all fly perfectly <BR>> > > >>>>
> straight, <BR>> > > >>>> > there is no
manufacturing error in yours. <BR>> > > >>>> >
<BR>> > > >>>> > The center line (seam line) is a
little bit out of center, this <BR>> > > >>>> might
<BR>> > > >>>> > make <BR>> > >
>>>> > it appear not straight, possibly. <BR>> > >
>>>> > <BR>> > > >>>> > If the
fuselage got pressure during shipping / storing, so that the <BR>> >
> >>>> > fin was <BR>> > > >>>> >
slightly twisted in the box, this can be easily fixed when gluing <BR>>
> > >>>> in > the <BR>> > > >>>>
> rear hinge post. But actually, I do not think that you would have to
<BR>> > > >>> <BR>> > > >>> make
<BR>> > > >>> <BR>> > > >>>> > any
corrections, as I know that the fin appears to be a little bit <BR>> >
> >>>> > off, but <BR>> > > >>>> >
it doesn't. the planes fly dead straight. <BR>> > >
>>>> > <BR>> > > >>>> > <BR>> >
> >>>> > <BR>> > > >>>> >
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