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<DIV>Consider it analagous to a Tim Taylor "har-har-har" growl/grunt/utterance of manly approval.</DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR><BR>> OK - I'll bite - what's a "Harrumph" in cyber/mail-ease??? <BR>> Is it a <COUGH>, or <SNEER>, <SNORT>, <BS>.... Which? <BR>> <BR>> OR is it the "how dare you say such a thing?" <BR>> > <BR>> > From: <TPH1@BELLSOUTH.NET><BR>> > Date: 2005/02/02 Wed AM 10:52:11 EST <BR>> > To: <DISCUSSION@NSRCA.ORG><BR>> > Subject: Re: Re: Composite-ARF Impact question <BR>> > <BR>> > Another Harruummph is in order. <BR>> > > <BR>> > > From: Bill Southwell <BNBSOUTHWELL@BELLSOUTH.NET><BR>> > > Date: 2005/02/02 Wed PM 12:13:03 EST <BR>> > > To: discussion@nsrca.org <BR>> > > Subject: Re: Composite-ARF Impact question <BR>> > > <BR>> > > <BR>> > > Ed I think you hit the nail on the head. It is hard on ones ego to <BR>> > > over pay for a product and then find there are imperfections to boot. <BR>> > > There are a few domestic kit makers left, lets support them! <BR>> > > <BR>> > > Mark thats exactly what I have been mad as he## about. Geitz made a <BR>> > > marketing coo when he got a lot of big name folks to sell and fly his <BR>> > > stuff as "REP'S". Now they have financial stake to protect the product <BR>> > > beyond a simple sponsorship. I can't see a little fellow walking up to <BR>> > > big Andy Kane and telling him "that's a piece of crap!" You get <BR>> > > intimidated by "star quality" reps and no lack of them. Brilliant! makes <BR>> > > for a bunch of sheeple. Who does a little guy think he is challenging <BR>> > > that system...he would look like "Chicken Little" and just get a letter <BR>> > > explaining how wrong he is about his product. <BR>> > > <BR>> > > Lets support all those folks that are left in the states and get the <BR
>> > > pipe line going again. Heck maybe a few might sprout up if we show some <BR>> > > interest$$ Look at last years Symphony, Panacea, and the Titan. EVERY <BR>> > > bit as good and priced a heck of a lot better than CompARF,ZN Line or PL <BR>> > > Products. Time to be rid of the Chevy vs BMW mentality. I for one would <BR>> > > say the customer support at Aeroslave and PAC way out shines the <BR>> > > "concubines" and the " it's twisted but all 350 fly perfect straight " <BR>> > > load of ahh... fertilizer. I have delt with the two companies and find <BR>> > > them to be helpful way beyond reasonable. When did customer service, <BR>> > > and believing in the people you are dealing with go out the window when <BR>> > > we make our purchasing decisions? Why? <BR>> > > <BR>> > > OK lets have a little bit of feed back from the " no American company <BR>> > > can match the quality of the European manufactures" supporters and <BR>> > > discuss this issue. Might be interesting....................Might help <BR>> > > our Cottage industry get a little wind in there sales. Wait lets go a <BR>> > > little further and start a Good guys list if you received a good vale <BR>> > > for your$$ or a great experience from the supplier service wise. I'll <BR>> > > put my keyboard were my mouth is and start the thread her in a minute. I <BR>> > > bet the feed back might be a breath of fresh air on the list and for all <BR>> > > those brave souls who try to make our toys for very little reward dollar <BR>> > > wise or "pat on the back" wise. <BR>> > > <BR>> > > Plastic scale modeling has been made far, far better due to cottage <BR>> > > industries. That hobby was on a bad decline not too many years ago. <BR>> > > Cottage industries made far better models possible and broke a downward <BR>> > > spira
l and turned it around for scale enthusiast. There are more after <BR>> > > market companies than kit manufactures today. <BR>> > > <BR>> > > <BR>> > > I would also like to say thanks to Adam for getting this thread going <BR>> > > and hope you get your twist worked out. <BR>> > > <BR>> > > Regards <BR>> > > Bill " now heaping on the coal" Southwell <BR>> > > Iuka,MS <BR>> > > <BR>> > > <BR>> > > <BR>> > > <BR>> > > <BR>> > > <BR>> > > Ed Miller wrote: <BR>> > > <BR>> > > > The American kit manufacturers haven't learned the secret. The more <BR>> > > > one pays for an item, the harder one will defend it and overlook it's <BR>> > > > deficiencies. We had an abundance of American cottage industry kits <BR>> > > > manufacturers AND designers, we drove them out of business with the <BR>> > > > plane of the week mentality. <BR>> > > > Ed M. <BR>> > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hunt" <BR>> > > > <FLYINTEXAN@HOUSTON.RR.COM><BR>> > > > To: <DISCUSSION@NSRCA.ORG><BR>> > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 8:05 AM <BR>> > > > Subject: Re: Composite-ARF Impact question <BR>> > > > <BR>> > > > <BR>> > > >> I'm gonna say it.....just can't hold back.....if an Aires fuse was <BR>> > > >> like this we'd be hearing all about how hard it is to find a quality <BR>> > > >> pattern kit in the US. Drives me nuts that so many people have been <BR>> > > >> fixing this without so much as one bad word about this company..... <BR>> > > >> <BR>> > > >> <BR>> > > >> there...I feel better. <BR>> > > >> <BR>> > > >> <BR>> > > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Bla
ck" <TKEITHB@COMCAST.NET><BR>> > > >> To: <DISCUSSION@NSRCA.ORG><BR>> > > >> Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 11:23 PM <BR>> > > >> Subject: Re: Composite-ARF Impact question <BR>> > > >> <BR>> > > >> <BR>> > > >>> OK guys, all this talk has gotten me to take another look at my new <BR>> > > >>> Impact. <BR>> > > >>> Here's what I see. <BR>> > > >>> <BR>> > > >>> 1) I cannot detect any twist in the fin. Perhaps someone can tell me <BR>> > > >>> how to <BR>> > > >>> look for this, but I can't see it. <BR>> > > >>> <BR>> > > >>> 2) If I measure for straightness in the fuse it is not perfectly <BR>> > > >>> straight. <BR>> > > >>> It's hard to tell if the left side is just a little fuller (puffy) <BR>> > > >>> or if it <BR>> > > >>> is bent. Whatever the case, it's not perfectly symmetrical. I did <BR>> > > >>> notice <BR>> > > >>> when mounting the gear that the *inside* of one half was slightly <BR>> > > >>> flatter <BR>> > > >>> than the other side. Specifics of my measurements: I lined up the <BR>> > > >>> fuse on <BR>> > > >>> graph paper and measured for straightness by setting the nose on the <BR>> > > >>> center <BR>> > > >>> line and the tail on the center line. I then took measurements <BR>> > > >>> periodically <BR>> > > >>> along fuse checking the distance from the center line (using a <BR>> > > >>> square). At <BR>> > > >>> the most extreme point the left side is wider by about 1/4". To <BR>> > > >>> double check <BR>> > > >>> I then centered the mid-p
oint of the fuse and the nose. This <BR>> > > >>> resulted in the <BR>> > > >>> rudder being about 1/4" off to the right. <BR>> > > >>> <BR>> > > >>> I know it's preferable to have a perfectly straight fuse, but <BR>> > > >>> considering <BR>> > > >>> the overall size of the fuse, how well I've seen other Impacts fly, <BR>> > > >>> (and the <BR>> > > >>> fact that I already own it), I'm not going to worry about. With all the <BR>> > > >>> right thrust discussions held lately I'm sure I can get it trimmed <BR>> > > >>> to fly <BR>> > > >>> fine. Also, given it's a molded fuse I'm sure that Jason's was the <BR>> > > >>> same and <BR>> > > >>> he did pretty well with his ;-) <BR>> > > >>> <BR>> > > >>> BTW, I did the same measurements on both of my Aries fuses prior to <BR>> > > >>> building <BR>> > > >>> and they were extremely straight. Knowing all the work Lance and <BR>> > > >>> Gray put <BR>> > > >>> into the Symphony I'm sure it's dead on as well. <BR>> > > >>> <BR>> > > >>> Keith Black <BR>> > > >>> <BR>> > > >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Southwell" <BR>> > > >>> <BNBSOUTHWELL@BELLSOUTH.NET><BR>> > > >>> To: <DISCUSSION@NSRCA.ORG><BR>> > > >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 8:42 PM <BR>> > > >>> Subject: Re: Composite-ARF Impact question <BR>> > > >>> <BR>> > > >>> <BR>> > > >>>> <BR>> > > >>>> Hi Adam, <BR>> > > >>>> <BR>> > > >>>> Hey at least no mention of concubines or other strange behavior.
If <BR>> > > >>>> all of you are having a vision problem ( mass hallucination) there <BR>> > > >>>> will <BR>> > > >>>> be a group therapy session at the NATS. I hope this will help all <BR>> > > >>>> CompARF customers to get with the program...err ah how not to see <BR>> > > >>>> things. It is funny its no manufacturing error but everyone has <BR>> > > >>>> had the <BR>> > > >>>> same issue. I bet the fellow who crates the fuselages gets a broom <BR>> > > >>>> tomorrow to work with. You have to be in awe of his consistency in <BR>> > > >>>> applying pressure to each fuse. Thank goodness he studied the <BR>> > > >>>> aerodynamics of the thing...he must be a genius as all 350 fly dead <BR>> > > >>>> straight now! <BR>> > > >>>> <BR>> > > >>>> If a manufacture in the states created a ahhh a well...... "visual <BR>> > > >>>> effect" like that people would be slamming the same for lack of <BR>> > > >>>> quality <BR>> > > >>>> and ripping the customer off. I have talked to several friends who <BR>> > > >>>> have <BR>> > > >>>> the gassser CompARF planes and they have reported quality issues and <BR>> > > >>>> felt that for the money it could have been better. guess its a case <BR>> > > >>>> of " <BR>> > > >>>> international tolerance and good will" at work here ( Geez now I am <BR>> > > >>>> sounding like Mike Savage). I say don't be intimidated and demand a <BR>> > > >>>> refund for the banana. He gives you all your ammunition in his <BR>> > > >>>> reply...well at the bottom any how. I still think if he added <BR>> >
; > >>>> something <BR>> > > >>>> with concubines and court it would be more interesting to <BR>> > > >>>> read...................................................Just basking in <BR>> > > >>>> the flames here :>) <BR>> > > >>>> <BR>> > > >>>> Regards <BR>> > > >>>> Bill " medium to well done" Southwell <BR>> > > >>>> Iuka, MS <BR>> > > >>>> <BR>> > > >>>> Adam Quennoz wrote: <BR>> > > >>>> <BR>> > > >>>> > I'm glad to see others are seeing the same thing. I thought I was <BR>> > > >>>> > nuts. I e-mailed Composite-ARF about this issue. Here's the reply: <BR>> > > >>>> > <BR>> > > >>>> > Hello Adam, <BR>> > > >>>> > <BR>> > > >>>> > since 350 Impacts come from the same molds, and all fly perfectly <BR>> > > >>>> > straight, <BR>> > > >>>> > there is no manufacturing error in yours. <BR>> > > >>>> > <BR>> > > >>>> > The center line (seam line) is a little bit out of center, this <BR>> > > >>>> might <BR>> > > >>>> > make <BR>> > > >>>> > it appear not straight, possibly. <BR>> > > >>>> > <BR>> > > >>>> > If the fuselage got pressure during shipping / storing, so that the <BR>> > > >>>> > fin was <BR>> > > >>>> > slightly twisted in the box, this can be easily fixed when gluing <BR>> > > >>>> in > the <BR>> > > >>>> > rear hinge post. But actually, I do not think that you would have to <BR>> > > >>> <BR>> > > >>>
; make <BR>> > > >>> <BR>> > > >>>> > any corrections, as I know that the fin appears to be a little bit <BR>> > > >>>> > off, but <BR>> > > >>>> > it doesn't. the planes fly dead straight. <BR>> > > >>>> > <BR>> > > >>>> > <BR>> > > >>>> > <BR>> > > >>>> > ================================================= <BR>> > > >>>> > To access the email archives for this list, go to <BR>> > > >>>> > http://lists.f3a.us/pipermail/nsrca-discussion/ <BR>> > > >>>> > To be removed from this list, go to > <BR>> > > >>>> http://www.nsrca.org/discussionA.htm <BR>> > > >>>> > and follow the instructions. <BR>> > > >>>> > <BR>> > > >>>> > <BR>> > > >>>> <BR>> > > >>>> ================================================= <BR>> > > >>>> To access the email archives for this list, go to <BR>> > > >>>> http://lists.f3a.us/pipermail/nsrca-discussion/ <BR>> > > >>>> To be removed from this list, go to <BR>> > > >>>> http://www.nsrca.org/discussionA.htm <BR>> > > >>>> and follow the instructions. <BR>> > > >>>> <BR>> > > >>> <BR>> > > >>> ================================================= <BR>> > > >>> To access the email archives for this list, go to <BR>> > > >>> http://lists.f3a.us/pipermail/nsrca-discussion/ <BR>> > > >>> To be removed from this list, go to <BR>> > > >>> http://www.nsrca.org/discussionA.htm <BR>> > > >>> and follow the instructions. <BR>> > > >>> <BR>> > > >
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