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<DIV>The only reason I mentioned weighing before each flight is because some people, myself included, don't always fill the tank for a contest. I routinely would fly two rounds of pattern on one tank (in one flight) while practicing. I guess for a contest we could swap out the tank.</DIV>
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<DIV>You are right about the "advantage", poor choice of words on my part. It would reduce some of the handicap, as you say.</DIV>
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<DIV><BR><BR><B><I>John Pavlick <jpavlick@idseng.com></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=290354304-09022005> Glad you agree. Why would you need to weigh it more than once? Just fill the tank (or install the largest battery pack) and weigh it at the start of the contest. Since we're checking for MAX weight wouldn't this be acceptable? Actually, if you look closely at the 5 kilo rule that defines a "model" I believe it specifies that weight with a full tank of fuel. Only the rules for pattern planes say otherwise. Actually, you wouldn't give the "advantage" to the electrics, you would remove the handicap. Electrics are weighed with the battery already. Doing it this way would eliminate more problems than it would cause - I think.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma><FONT size=2><SPAN class=290354304-09022005> </SPAN>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> discussion-request@nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org]<B>On Behalf Of </B>vicenterc@comcast.net<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, February 08, 2005 10:58 PM<BR><B>To:</B> discussion@nsrca.org; discussion@nsrca.org<BR><B>Cc:</B> Bob Richards<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [SPAM] Re: *SPAM* Re: Rules Survey<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
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<DIV>I don't know if this is important to consider. I think the reason for 11lbs = 5 Kilos is that internationally the airplanes over that weight are not considered model airplanes. This basic rule is used if you want to use RC model airplane to break any record. If you want to break a record using RC plane the first rule that applies is that weight has to be below 5 Kilos = 11 lbs. I found this information when visiting the AMA museum.</DIV>
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<DIV>That is my feeling as well. The only downside is that the enforcement would/could be more difficult. If the weight is with the tank empty, then you can weigh it once at the beginning of the contest, verifying that everything is present on the plane. If the weight is with fuel, you might have to weigh before every flight.</DIV>
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<DIV>If the weight is ready-to-fly, then you would give some advantage back to the electrics, justifiably so, IHMO.</DIV>
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<DIV>Bob R.<BR><BR><B><I>John Pavlick <jpavlick@idseng.com></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=660324801-09022005>Here's my 2C: Whatever the weight limit is - make "Ready to fly" mean what is says: Full tank of fuel, fully charged battery, etc. That way we won't argue about technicalities. </SPAN></DIV>
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