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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi Bill,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I initially picked out several rings by TLAR
(That Looks About Right) at a H/W store.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The one I settled on is Danco Company,
</FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2>Concordville PA 19331</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Dimensions on package are: </FONT><FONT
face=Arial size=2>15/16 x 13/16 x 1/16 O-RING STK NO 35746B</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The ring appears to be 1/16 dia, which fits under
the pipe pan screws OK.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>In my case, I used tie wraps loosely around
pipe, then slipped the ring half way under tie wrap,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>and pulled the ring back through it's own
loop. (That make sense?) Once rings are positioned,
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>tighten up the tie wrap. My set up uses
four pipe pan screws, and one ring to each one.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I couldn't tell for sure from the photos Ed posted
on RCU, be he apparently uses a much larger ring, and it</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>goes around pipe and pan screw.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I suspect the set up is not </FONT><FONT face=Arial
size=2>very critical, and would be ammenable to a number of securing systems
(and twists as Ed suggests) to adjust tension. </FONT><FONT face=Arial
size=2>Overall tension on my set up is fairly light. I figured
light was good to avoid pulling pipe pan screws out.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Later, Ron Lockhart</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, February 13, 2005 9:46
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I used my LAR method (looks about right). I just
rummaged through the parts bins at a couple of local auto parts stores and
brought home a selection that appeared it might work. Go a little over
size for diameter to allow you to go around the pipe and anchor either side,
then you can adjust with an extra twist if it's not tight enough. For
thickness, as thick as possible, just not so much as to make it difficult to
capture under a screw & #6 washer. They range from about $.60 to
about a buck each.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ed</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=flyinbill1@bellsouth.net
href="mailto:flyinbill1@bellsouth.net">William C. Harden</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, February 13, 2005 9:20
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
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Ron,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">O’Rings; what is
the part number and where did you buy them?<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I would think the O’Rings need to be
high temp to deal with the heat from the pipe.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Looks like a good
pipe mount.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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[mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On
Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Ed Alt<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Sunday, February 13, 2005 1:29
AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>
discussion@nsrca.org<BR><B><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Here's the requested pics on
RCU. Yeah, the bottom is starting to look a little ratty. Time
for a repaint of that pipe tunnel. Anyway, nothing else holds the pipe, it's
completely suspended from the O-Rings. My local Midas shop would be
proud.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=navy
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I’m
interested, show me the pics.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> <A
href="mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org">discussion-request@nsrca.org</A>
[mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Ed Alt<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Saturday, February 12, 2005
5:33 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <A
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: Opinions
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Bob:</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Should work fine. I've
been using an O-ring mounting method since seeing this on Ron Lockhart and
Rick Wallace's Focus's. It winds up being similar to what you
have inasmuch as it allows plenty of give in all required axis, but
definitely doesnt let things flop around. Light & cheap
too. </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Basically, the pipe is just
captured with 2 - 3 O-rings slung between whatever you want to use to pull
them taught along either side of the pipe in 2 - 3 separate locations
along its length. On a Focus, it's real easy, since you just
loop the O-ring under the screw heads that hold the pipe belly pan to the
fuselage. The only other thing needed is something to prevent the
pipe from slipping aft. I think Rick made some kind of collar around
the inlet area for it to grab. Depends on the pipe location, you can
also suspend the last one in the back by twisting around the exhaust exit
and accomplish the same thing. I have pics of the Focus II if
anyone is interested.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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title=rcaerobob@cox.net href="mailto:rcaerobob@cox.net">Bob
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Opinions Needed<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">In typical
"MacGyver"-ish fashion I *think* I've addressed this pipe mounting
challenge on the Icepoint.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Your opinions -
thoughts - should I even try this, or has someone already BTDT and
learned something?</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Feedback
welcomed, please!</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><A
href="http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=2650079">http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=2650079</A></SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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