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<DIV>I think you are right. It is not in the rulebook. However, if a judge for any reason can not see the manuever and gives NO of OI is not a zero. I think they just repeat the score of the other judge. Am I right?</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>THat "Not Observed" thing is NOT in any AMA rulebook. I had this discussion/debate with some pretty high-power dudes last season.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> It ain't in there.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><BR>Bob Pastorello<BR>NSRCA 199 AMA 46373<BR><A href="mailto:rcaerobob@cox.net">rcaerobob@cox.net</A><BR><A href="http://www.rcaerobats.net/">www.rcaerobats.net</A></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, February 23, 2005 8:54 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: FAI Weight Thread</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=270544602-24022005>As long as you don't inhale... Hey - that got pres. Clinton off the hook. Along those lines of thinking - why do maneuvers that judges don't see get scored as "N.O." or 0. I thought every maneuver started as a 10, and got downgraded due to "observed" imperfections. If you didn't see it - how can you downgrade it to a 0? </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma><FONT size=2><SPAN class=270544602-24022005> </SPAN>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> discussion-request@nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org]<B>On Behalf Of </B>tomc@buyrc.com<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, February 23, 2005 9:45 PM<BR><B>To:</B> discussion@nsrca.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: FAI Weight Thread<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> discussion-request@nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Wayne Galligan<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday, February 23, 2005 4:38 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> discussion@nsrca.org<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: FAI Weight Thread</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I'll bet there are more pattern planes out there over 11lbs then most would admit. So if you don't go to the Nats what should it matter? I haven't seen the weight/2 meter rule enforced yet at a contest other then the NATS. I'll be one to fess up that I (had) an 11+lb guppy. I am working diligently to get it under 11lbs ONLY because there is some faint POSSIBILITY that I MIGHT get to go to the NATS this year. AND it flies better lighter.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Wednesday, February 23, 2005 6:00 PM</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT id=role_document face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">In a message dated 2/23/2005 6:50:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, <A href="mailto:jivey61@bellsouth.net">jivey61@bellsouth.net</A> writes:</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Jimmy I agree with you here. My Enigma pattern design is 11 3/4 pounds and is almost 13 pounds wet. It flies like a hippo in a tuttu. The OS 160 is plenty of power but the plane simply isn't as nimble as what we are used to</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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