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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The NO (Not Observed) score notation is in the F3A
rules (5.1.8 Marking) In essence, the wording requires a judge to use this when
he/she didn't observe the maneuver for some reason. Scoring will then enter the
average score of the other judges in place of the NO.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Seems to make sense - makes the best of a bad
situation. Should probably be added to the AMA rules also, as it is typically
used at the Nats in all classes. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Earl</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> ; <A
title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=rcaerobob@cox.net
href="mailto:rcaerobob@cox.net">Bob Pastorello</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, February 24, 2005 8:18
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: FAI Weight Thread</DIV>
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<DIV>Bob,</DIV>
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<DIV>I think you are right. It is not in the rulebook. However, if
a judge for any reason can not see the manuever and gives NO of OI is not a
zero. I think they just repeat the score of the other judge. Am I
right?</DIV>
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<DIV>Vince</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>THat "Not Observed" thing is NOT in any AMA
rulebook. I had this discussion/debate with some pretty high-power
dudes last season.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> It ain't in
there.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><BR>Bob Pastorello<BR>NSRCA 199 AMA 46373<BR><A
href="mailto:rcaerobob@cox.net">rcaerobob@cox.net</A><BR><A
href="http://www.rcaerobats.net">www.rcaerobats.net</A></DIV>
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<A title=jpavlick@idseng.com href="mailto:jpavlick@idseng.com">John
Pavlick</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, February 23, 2005
8:54 PM</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=270544602-24022005>As long as you don't
inhale... Hey - that got pres. Clinton off the
hook. Along those lines of thinking - why do maneuvers that
judges don't see get scored as "N.O." or 0. I thought every maneuver
started as a 10, and got downgraded due to "observed" imperfections. If
you didn't see it - how can you downgrade it to a 0? </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<P><FONT size=2>John Pavlick<BR><A href="http://www.idseng.com/"
target=_blank>http://www.idseng.com</A><BR> </FONT>
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Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> discussion-request@nsrca.org
[mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org]<B>On Behalf Of
</B>tomc@buyrc.com<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, February 23, 2005 9:45
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">So, based on
the info in this thread, I guess it is legal to remove the battery
before weighing a non-electric plane. That would solve our
problems.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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discussion-request@nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org]
<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Wayne
Galligan<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B>
Wednesday, February 23, 2005 4:38 PM<BR><B><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I'll bet there
are more pattern planes out there over 11lbs then most would
admit. So if you don't go to the Nats what should it matter? I
haven't seen the weight/2 meter rule enforced yet at a contest other
then the NATS. I'll be one to fess up that I (had) an 11+lb
guppy. I am working diligently to get it under 11lbs ONLY
because there is some faint POSSIBILITY that I MIGHT get to go to the
NATS this year. AND it flies better
lighter.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Re: FAI
Weight Thread</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT id=role_document face=Arial color=black
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">In a message
dated 2/23/2005 6:50:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, <A
href="mailto:jivey61@bellsouth.net">jivey61@bellsouth.net</A>
writes:</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Ken<BR>By
necessity the planes will have to get bigger or they will fly like
Eric says(jello on a plate). I liked that one.<BR><BR>Jim
Ivey</SPAN></FONT></P></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Jimmy I
agree with you here. My Enigma pattern design is 11 3/4 pounds and is
almost 13 pounds wet. It flies like a hippo in a tuttu. The OS 160 is
plenty of power but the plane simply isn't as nimble as what we are
used to</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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