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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>THat "Not Observed" thing is NOT in any AMA
rulebook. I had this discussion/debate with some pretty high-power dudes
last season.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> It ain't in there.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><BR>Bob Pastorello<BR>NSRCA 199 AMA 46373<BR><A
href="mailto:rcaerobob@cox.net">rcaerobob@cox.net</A><BR><A
href="http://www.rcaerobats.net">www.rcaerobats.net</A></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=jpavlick@idseng.com href="mailto:jpavlick@idseng.com">John
Pavlick</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, February 23, 2005 8:54
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: FAI Weight Thread</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=270544602-24022005>As
long as you don't inhale... Hey - that got pres. Clinton off
the hook. Along those lines of thinking - why do maneuvers that
judges don't see get scored as "N.O." or 0. I thought every maneuver
started as a 10, and got downgraded due to "observed" imperfections. If you
didn't see it - how can you downgrade it to a 0? </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<P><FONT size=2>John Pavlick<BR><A href="http://www.idseng.com/"
target=_blank>http://www.idseng.com</A><BR> </FONT>
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<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=270544602-24022005> </SPAN>-----Original
Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> discussion-request@nsrca.org
[mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org]<B>On Behalf Of
</B>tomc@buyrc.com<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, February 23, 2005 9:45
PM<BR><B>To:</B> discussion@nsrca.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: FAI Weight
Thread<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">So, based on the
info in this thread, I guess it is legal to remove the battery before
weighing a non-electric plane. That would solve our
problems.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">
discussion-request@nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Wayne Galligan<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday, February 23, 2005 4:38
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>
discussion@nsrca.org<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: FAI Weight
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Matt,</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I'll bet there are
more pattern planes out there over 11lbs then most would admit. So if
you don't go to the Nats what should it matter? I haven't seen the weight/2
meter rule enforced yet at a contest other then the NATS. I'll
be one to fess up that I (had) an 11+lb guppy. I am working
diligently to get it under 11lbs ONLY because there is some faint
POSSIBILITY that I MIGHT get to go to the NATS this year. AND it flies
better lighter.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Wayne
G.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A
title=Rcmaster199@aol.com
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A
title=discussion@nsrca.org
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Wednesday,
February 23, 2005 6:00 PM</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Re: FAI Weight
Thread</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT id=role_document face=Arial color=black
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">In
a message dated 2/23/2005 6:50:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, <A
href="mailto:jivey61@bellsouth.net">jivey61@bellsouth.net</A>
writes:</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Ken<BR>By
necessity the planes will have to get bigger or they will fly like Eric
says(jello on a plate). I liked that one.<BR><BR>Jim
Ivey</SPAN></FONT></P></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Jimmy I agree
with you here. My Enigma pattern design is 11 3/4 pounds and is almost 13
pounds wet. It flies like a hippo in a tuttu. The OS 160 is plenty of
power but the plane simply isn't as nimble as what we are used
to</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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