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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Hey Bob, I’m not asking for my own
edification…as you state…it’s pretty obvious. I’m
asking because others don’t seem to agree. My point is the same as yours…that
“Followership”….or I liked the phrase Trickle down
Patternomics..lol… IS the norm. So raising the weight limit WILL lead
to new, larger designs, those WILL be better…everyone in the lower
classes WILL want them…and they still won’t be able to build them
under the new weight limit. Nothing will be gained, but the cost to all will
be higher as all the old equipment loses value and everyone has to retool.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>So my point is simply if you don’t believe
that’s what will happen…then explain why the lower classes aren’t
flying the existing 2M planes that are easy to build under 5Kg.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>-mark<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
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discussion-request@nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Bob Pastorello<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, February 25, 2005
11:22 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> discussion@nsrca.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: Weight limit
discussion</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Mark - I'm surprised you would actually ask that. Most
of us that have been around for awhile know absolutely that the game is a game
of "followership", where masses of people spend tons of money to
duplicate the "hot setups" of the big dogs in their own personal
quest for glory.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Perhaps limiting the equipment that the big dogs can use
will help get things back into control?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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Bob Pastorello<br>
NSRCA 199 AMA 46373<br>
<a href="mailto:rcaerobob@cox.net">rcaerobob@cox.net</a><br>
<a href="http://www.rcaerobats.net">www.rcaerobats.net</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:atwoodm@paragon-inc.com" title="atwoodm@paragon-inc.com">Atwood,
Mark</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org" title="discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Friday, February
25, 2005 10:16 AM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> RE: Weight limit
discussion<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>So Buddy…I HAVE to ask again…
If the “Average” competitor that you’re referring to
ISN”T following in Chip’s/Jason’s/Sean’s (and of course
our beloved Dave L’s) footsteps…then why aren’t they flying
any of the competitive, well under 11lbs airframes that exist today???
USA Star’s, El Nino’s, Desires, Arch Nem, SL-1, and on and
on. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Dave’s argument is simply that the
ONLY reason people are struggling with 11lbs…is because they’re
trying to build the same giant body ships that the top guys fly. That
will STILL be the case..except if you give them another lb to work
with…those top guys will just build that much bigger of a ship that
people will still want…and still can’t build to make weight.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>So my question is simply…why
aren’t people flying the lighter designed 2M airframes?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>-Mark<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
discussion-request@nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>BUDDYonRC@aol.com<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, February 25, 2005
11:01 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> discussion@nsrca.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Weight limit discussion</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#8000ff" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#8000FF'>Dave <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#8000ff" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#8000FF'>In answer to the
following parts of your post (had to split it up to big for the list to handle)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Raise the weight limit in pattern, and
the 2x2m monoplane will get bigger and more costly (and the most competitive
examples will still probably be under 11 lbs, but the "average" plane
won't be).</span></font><font size=2 color="#8000ff" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#8000FF'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#8000ff" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#8000FF'>So far this is my
point exactly. If we are to make AMA pattern an inclusive event we in my
opinion must include the average competitor. Those who have higher aspirations
will do what they must to achieve perfection and a weight rule change will
have little effect on those who aspire to compete on a higher level.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Raise the weight limit in pattern while
leaving unlimited displacement and the 2x2m box, and the 2x2m monoplane will no
longer be the most competive design - the most competitive design will be a
purpose designed pattern bipe that will be substantially more expensive (money,
time, maintenance) than the current day designs.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>If you don't think a purpose design
pattern bipe would be the best, ask Chip. He will tell you without
reservation he would not have flown his Double Visions in the past few years if
he did not think it was the best plane.</span></font><font size=2
color="#8000ff" face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#8000ff" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#8000FF'>Yes, but you also need
to consider the level of competition and his goals. Lets face it Chip is
playing to the world in an arena composed of professionals making him a member
of an exclusive group that for the most part excludes the rank and
file of pattern. Here again I believe AMA pattern should be
structured to attract all of the rank and file while affording those who
aspire to greatness the opportunity to compete on a higher level
without effecting or excluding those who make up the core of the pattern
community or those who interested in joining it <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#8000ff" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#8000FF'>Buddy<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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