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<DIV>One more thought on the seemingly endless debate of light vs. heavy pattern
planes. I still don't believe that "... a 'heavy' plane flies better in
the wind..." Granted it will tend to bounce a little less, but it depends on how
the pilot manages those bounces, because once it starts moving, it keeps
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<DIV>In my experience and observation, the better pilot will fly a lighter plane
better. A couple years ago Pete Collinson flew my 10 lb Alliance is heavy
crosswind at Ocala, and most everyone there was amazed at the plane's ability in
the hands of a competent pilot, in that kind of wind. Pete's flying was
effortless it seemed, especially when you consider that the webra was
highly detuned in its early life. As I recall some didn't fly due to the
wind, not wanting to chance a mishap at the end of the contest.</DIV>
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<DIV>Let's not be confused with a plane that is too light; that exists also, but
is rare. I agree with Buddy's observation of 1 pound per 100 sq in rule of
thumb, and a significant departure to the low side, say 3/4lb/100 sq in, is
probably too light for windy conditions. Not so for calm tho.</DIV>
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<DIV>Is the meat of the argument making the point that a fat plane
will allow its pilot more latitude in heavy wind? Or is that simply the
perception? If one THINKS he has an advantage, he does.</DIV>
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<DIV>MattK</DIV>
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<DIV>In a message dated 2/24/2005 11:31:59 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Rcmaster199@aol.com writes:</DIV>
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<DIV>Well, Ocala is right around the corner, so why not fly the pig in the
sunshine? Then you'll know fer shure. It always blows in Ocala.</DIV>
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<DIV>Better yet, fly the same plane at its standard weight and then increase
its weight by 15% and fly another round heavy> I'll hold Ernie back so he
won't weigh you (ahem, I meant your plane)</DIV>
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<DIV>Matt</DIV>
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<DIV>In a message dated 2/24/2005 11:19:17 PM Eastern Standard Time,
jivey61@bellsouth.net writes:</DIV>
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size=2>Matt<BR>The 12.5 lb dead pig in the sunshine will get better scores
because it doesn't appear antsy.<BR>Like Dave L says the bigger the
plane the better. I agree here.I also agree if you keep the same wing area
and raise the weight the wing loading changes.You can keep the same 2meter
limits with more wing area and have the bigger plane Dave talks about. None
of these suppositions were in the original thread.><BR>If Bob has 2 of
the same type planes, same wing area one 9.5 lbs and the other 12.5 lbs I
still say the 12.5 would have the advantage of being smoother in the
wind(blows at every contest).Does this make it illegal? Only if the CD
weighs you.<BR><BR>Jim Ivey <BR>> From: Rcmaster199@aol.com<BR>> Date:
2005/02/24 Thu PM 11:04:15 EST<BR>> To: discussion@nsrca.org<BR>>
Subject: Re: Weight rules discussion ( my opinion)<BR>> <BR>>
<BR>> Jimmy, I've read Don Lowe's columns for years and his rationale
(one that I <BR>> agree with) is that a light plane bounces more
but damps quicker than the <BR>> heavy plane. <BR>>
<BR>> I don't doubt that increasing the DR wing loading by 15% as
you did in your <BR>> experiment, would likely result in better
flying fro that plane. It would be <BR>> more interesting to know
what the wing loading was and is before and after <BR>> the
change.<BR>> <BR>> Now translate that to a 2 meter job and see
what happens. Try increasing the <BR>> weight of your standard
pattern model by 15% and see what it does. How does <BR>> the wing
loading compare to your DR b4 and after the changes? <BR>> <BR>>
I'd be interested in that experimental result<BR>> <BR>>
Matt</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
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