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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>In my case Bob, that is exactly what I did. I
blatantly copied Dave Lockhart's Elan and setup and was very successful with it
in Advanced. I then again copied Dave's EMC and my hope is over time I will
enjoy some success with it in Master's. Frankly, he is a far better pilot than
I'll ever be and gets his planes setup as perfect as you can expect. He did all
the work on setup discovery with his EMC's so I can concentrate on the thumb
twiddling part with a properly setup plane by copying his work. Works for me
!!!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ed M.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=rcaerobob@cox.net href="mailto:rcaerobob@cox.net">Bob Pastorello</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, February 25, 2005 11:21
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Weight limit
discussion</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Mark - I'm surprised you would actually ask
that. Most of us that have been around for awhile know absolutely that
the game is a game of "followership", where masses of people spend tons of
money to duplicate the "hot setups" of the big dogs in their own personal
quest for glory.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Perhaps limiting the equipment that the big dogs
can use will help get things back into control?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><BR>Bob Pastorello<BR>NSRCA 199 AMA 46373<BR><A
href="mailto:rcaerobob@cox.net">rcaerobob@cox.net</A><BR><A
href="http://www.rcaerobats.net">www.rcaerobats.net</A></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=atwoodm@paragon-inc.com
href="mailto:atwoodm@paragon-inc.com">Atwood, Mark</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, February 25, 2005 10:16
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Weight limit
discussion</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">So Buddy…I HAVE to
ask again… If the “Average” competitor that you’re referring to ISN”T
following in Chip’s/Jason’s/Sean’s (and of course our beloved Dave L’s)
footsteps…then why aren’t they flying any of the competitive, well under
11lbs airframes that exist today??? USA Star’s, El Nino’s,
Desires, Arch Nem, SL-1, and on and on. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Dave’s argument is
simply that the ONLY reason people are struggling with 11lbs…is because
they’re trying to build the same giant body ships that the top guys
fly. That will STILL be the case..except if you give them another lb
to work with…those top guys will just build that much bigger of a ship that
people will still want…and still can’t build to make
weight.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">So my question is
simply…why aren’t people flying the lighter designed 2M
airframes?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">-Mark<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">
discussion-request@nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of
</SPAN></B>BUDDYonRC@aol.com<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Friday, February 25, 2005 11:01
AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>
discussion@nsrca.org<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Weight limit
discussion</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=#8000ff size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #8000ff; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Dave
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=#8000ff size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #8000ff; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">In answer to the
following parts of your post (had to split it up to big for the list to
handle)<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=#8000ff size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #8000ff; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Raise the weight
limit in pattern, and the 2x2m monoplane will get bigger and more costly
(and the most competitive examples will still probably be under 11 lbs, but
the "average" plane won't be).</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=#8000ff
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #8000ff; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=#8000ff size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #8000ff; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">So far this is
my point exactly. If we are to make AMA pattern an inclusive event we
in my opinion must include the average competitor. Those who have higher
aspirations will do what they must to achieve perfection and a
weight rule change will have little effect on those who aspire to
compete on a higher level.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=#8000ff size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #8000ff; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Raise the weight
limit in pattern while leaving unlimited displacement and the 2x2m box,
and the 2x2m monoplane will no longer be the most competive design - the
most competitive design will be a purpose designed pattern bipe that will
be substantially more expensive (money, time, maintenance) than the
current day designs.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">If you don't
think a purpose design pattern bipe would be the best, ask Chip. He
will tell you without reservation he would not have flown his Double
Visions in the past few years if he did not think it was the best
plane.</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=#8000ff size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #8000ff; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=#8000ff size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #8000ff; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Yes, but you
also need to consider the level of competition and his goals. Lets face
it Chip is playing to the world in an arena composed of professionals
making him a member of an exclusive group that for the most part
excludes the rank and file of pattern. Here again I believe AMA
pattern should be structured to attract all of the rank and file
while affording those who aspire to greatness the opportunity to compete
on a higher level without effecting or excluding those who make
up the core of the pattern community or those who interested in joining it
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=#8000ff size=2><SPAN
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