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<DIV><FONT color=#000000>Because your 12.5 lb airplane can be of a very
different design capable of performing at a substantially higher performance
level.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000>No one chooses to fly 7-8 pound 60 size versions of a
pattern design when they can afford to fly the 10 pound "120" size version - for
the same reason - bigger flies better.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000>Is that rationale rational?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000>Dave</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=rcaerobob@cox.net href="mailto:rcaerobob@cox.net">Bob Pastorello</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, February 24, 2005 10:19
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Weight rules discussion ( my
opinion)</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000>Let's say I decide, for my own reasons, that I want
to fly a 12.5lb (dry) 2M pattern airplane against 9.5 lb (dry) 2M pattern
airplanes in Masters class.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000>Somebody, anybody, give me a rational reason why I
should NOT be "legal" to fly at a sanctioned event?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><BR>Bob Pastorello<BR>NSRCA 199 AMA 46373<BR><A
href="mailto:rcaerobob@cox.net">rcaerobob@cox.net</A><BR><A
href="http://www.rcaerobats.net">www.rcaerobats.net</A></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=DaveL322@comcast.net href="mailto:DaveL322@comcast.net">David
Lockhart</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, February 24, 2005 9:09
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Weight rules discussion (
my opinion)</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#000000>Buddy,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000>Do the rules of aerodynamics include things like
wing loading and power loading? Both of those will be dramatically
effected by a change in the weight limit (up or down). With unlimited
displacement and 2x2m maximum dimensions available, weight is very much
a design factor.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000>Dave</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#000000></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000>"Lance
<DIV>In my evaluation the rules need to apply to Pattern as a whole. With
the two meter size limit builders will utilize the rules of aerodynamics to
achieve the optimum design and weight becomes a moot issue for all
classes.</DIV>
<DIV>Buddy "</DIV></FONT></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=BUDDYonRC@aol.com
href="mailto:BUDDYonRC@aol.com">BUDDYonRC@aol.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, February 24, 2005
8:56 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Weight rules discussion
( my opinion)</DIV>
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<DIV>
<DIV>In a message dated 2/24/2005 7:25:59 PM Central Standard Time, <A
href="mailto:patterndude@comcast.net">patterndude@comcast.net</A>
writes:</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#000000>Buddy,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000>One good idea that I didn't see in your list
was the onelwhere the weight limit for the Advanced-thru-FAI classes
remains the same but the limit for Sportsmand/Intermediate is
raised. This really makes sense to me. We are all
comfortable with advancing difficulty in sequences. Well, building
light is also a learned skill and sometimes requires more $$
comittment. Pilots grow in flying, building, trimming
skills. Why subject sportsman to FAI building rules?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000>--Lance</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=mailto:BUDDYonRC@aol.com
href="mailto:BUDDYonRC@aol.com">BUDDYonRC@aol.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=mailto:discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, February 24, 2005
1:33 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Weight rules discussion
( my opinion)</DIV>
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<DIV>Since the whole message was to large to post following is my
opinion.</DIV>
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<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" color=#000000 size=3>After a thorough weighted
comparison of the items listed in my previous post I have arrived at
the following conclusions.</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT size=3><FONT
color=#000000><FONT face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It is most important that we
strive to make pattern an inclusive sport, which I feel is necessary
to increase participation in the future. In order to do that one of
the first item that should be addressed is that of eliminating the
illegitimate double standard in the weight rule. There are two
possible solutions; the first would be to enforce all rules, which
many agree in this case would not be in patterns best interest. That
leaves us with only one solution and that is to change the rule.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT size=3><FONT
color=#000000><FONT face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>In doing that we must consider
the overall impact of such a change to insure that it serves to
protect all the other aspects concerned as much as possible. After
careful review and acknowledging that maintaining the two-meter rule
is in fact the limiting design criteria for pattern I suggest that a
change in the rule upward to twelve pounds or in light of current FAI
considerations, to 5.5K would be an appropriate
solution.</FONT></FONT></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" color=#000000 size=3>This change could possibly
effect other aspects of pattern design in the future but given the
known requirements some of which are listed in my previous post that
are necessary and practiced extensively today I have little fear that
this change will result in any major design changes that would present
a problem or afford anyone an unfair advantage in the near
future.</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT size=3><FONT
color=#000000><FONT face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>If you study the items in my
previous post it will also become apparent that there are many
listed that offer the potential to increase our participation and make
pattern more inclusive. </FONT></FONT></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" color=#000000 size=3>Should anyone have any
other items to offer that I should include which may require further
evaluation concerning my conclusions and suggested weight change
please forward them to me.</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" color=#000000 size=3>Buddy Brammer</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT size=3><FONT
color=#000000><FONT
face="Times New Roman"> <o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></FONT></P>
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color=#000000><FONT
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<DIV>Lance</DIV>
<DIV>In my evaluation the rules need to apply to Pattern as a whole. With
the two meter size limit builders will utilize the rules of aerodynamics
to achieve the optimum design and weight becomes a moot issue for all
classes.</DIV>
<DIV>Buddy </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></BODY></HTML>