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<DIV><SPAN class=269473414-04032005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Gee
Mister, I come from the <STRONG>neo</STRONG>lithic era!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=269473414-04032005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Now I
see your point! You know, I used to practice the '88 F3A patterns with the
17-1/2 lb, 1/3 scale, TOC Laser, and it was comfortable at 125 meters and
75 MPH. </FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=269473414-04032005><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>I ain't kidding. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=269473414-04032005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Of
course, if the wind blew, it looked stupid with the horrendous wind correction,
but if we legislated that distance, i'd have fun. No, I am not advocating such a
change.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=269473414-04032005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Regards,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<P><FONT face="Times New Roman">Dean Pappas</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">Sr. Design Engineer</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">Kodeos Communications</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">111 Corporate Blvd.</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">South Plainfield, N.J. 07080</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">(908) 222-7817 phone</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">(908) 222-2392 fax</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">d.pappas@kodeos.com</FONT> </P>
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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> discussion-request@nsrca.org
[mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org]<B>On Behalf Of
</B>J.Oddino<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, March 03, 2005 11:38 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
discussion@nsrca.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Pattern Box Rules
(discussion)<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>When I said old days I meant old. We
didn't have no stickin' rocket ships. Six pound airplanes, Lee Custom
60s, no tuned pipes, no retracts. We didn't have enough time to fly too
far away. We were lucky to get 11000 rpm with a 11x7. We could do
outside loops under the limbo pole in the center of the runway though.
I'm talking old.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Jim</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=joddino@socal.rr.com
href="mailto:joddino@socal.rr.com">J.Oddino</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, March 03, 2005 8:56
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Pattern Box Rules
(discussion)</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I think Gray has broken the code but doesn't
know it. The reason people fly too far out is so they can stay in the
box. In the old days we'd fly the maneuvers where the judges could see
them. We probably never flew more than 100 meters out or over 150
meters high. There was a 60 degree "box" (really a triangle) but all
maneuvers were center maneuvers and easy to judge as far as
positioning. Turnaround required that the maneuvers be moved
out. It was supposed to reduce the noise footprint but did the
opposite. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The box should be a box and the horizontal
distance at 75 degrees ought to be the same as it is at 60. I haven't
gone through the numbers but I'll bet it is easier for all to see the plane
at the edges of a rectangular box if it is flown in closer. The
objective ought to be to keep the footprint small and to make it easier
for the judges and pilots to see the airplane. That's my
take.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>JimO</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=gfowler@raytheon.com href="mailto:gfowler@raytheon.com">Gray E
Fowler</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, March 03, 2005 6:44
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Pattern Box Rules
(discussion)</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>My vote would be to up the
penalty for flying too far out. Hard to tell if it is 150 or 175,
but 200 meters to me is a ZERO...outta the box. But I can only give a
serious 2pt downgrade. It bothers me when people fly 200-225 meters out
with a downgrade. Problem here of course is the FAI's are about the worse
offenders -i.e. can't do a rolling circle within 175 meters-fly it right
or get rid of it. Considering that us low class types follow their lead
(butt sniffin' in reality) no wonder I see 250 meter patterns.</FONT>
<BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>The box dimensions are just fine.
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