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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>When I said old days I meant old. We
didn't have no stickin' rocket ships. Six pound airplanes, Lee Custom 60s,
no tuned pipes, no retracts. We didn't have enough time to fly too far
away. We were lucky to get 11000 rpm with a 11x7. We could do
outside loops under the limbo pole in the center of the runway though. I'm
talking old.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Jim</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=joddino@socal.rr.com href="mailto:joddino@socal.rr.com">J.Oddino</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, March 03, 2005 8:56
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Pattern Box Rules
(discussion)</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I think Gray has broken the code but doesn't know
it. The reason people fly too far out is so they can stay in the
box. In the old days we'd fly the maneuvers where the judges could see
them. We probably never flew more than 100 meters out or over 150 meters
high. There was a 60 degree "box" (really a triangle) but all maneuvers
were center maneuvers and easy to judge as far as positioning.
Turnaround required that the maneuvers be moved out. It was supposed
to reduce the noise footprint but did the opposite. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The box should be a box and the horizontal
distance at 75 degrees ought to be the same as it is at 60. I haven't
gone through the numbers but I'll bet it is easier for all to see the plane at
the edges of a rectangular box if it is flown in closer. The
objective ought to be to keep the footprint small and to make it easier
for the judges and pilots to see the airplane. That's my
take.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>JimO</FONT></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=gfowler@raytheon.com href="mailto:gfowler@raytheon.com">Gray E
Fowler</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, March 03, 2005 6:44
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Pattern Box Rules
(discussion)</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>My vote would be to up the
penalty for flying too far out. Hard to tell if it is 150 or 175, but
200 meters to me is a ZERO...outta the box. But I can only give a serious
2pt downgrade. It bothers me when people fly 200-225 meters out with a
downgrade. Problem here of course is the FAI's are about the worse offenders
-i.e. can't do a rolling circle within 175 meters-fly it right or get rid of
it. Considering that us low class types follow their lead (butt sniffin' in
reality) no wonder I see 250 meter patterns.</FONT> <BR><FONT
face=sans-serif size=2>The box dimensions are just fine.
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