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<DIV>In a message dated 3/7/2005 5:10:55 PM Central Standard Time,
rcsteve@tcrcm.org writes:</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=474552600-07032005>Hi Buddy-- don't worry, your messages are
coming through. This list uses email, and email can have some strange
excentricities.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=474552600-07032005></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=474552600-07032005>Email goes through email servers, one on
each end. In the situation of the list server, add in a third server in the
middle.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=474552600-07032005></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=474552600-07032005>Any of the servers can get busy,
bogged down. Here is an example:</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=474552600-07032005></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=474552600-07032005>Lets say you have sent out a message to
the list server. Your email program does not talk directly to the nsrca list
server, it hands the email off to an email server provided by your ISP (in
this case AOL). Your ISP's mail server then queues up your message until
it has time to try and contact the nsrca server. Depending how busy it is,
this could be 1 second, minutes, or in rare cases (during a spam storm) hours.
</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=474552600-07032005></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=474552600-07032005>Once your ISP server has time, it will try
to contact the nsrca mail server. If the nsrca server is not busy, the message
is transferred, and queued for send out to the list members. If it is busy
(maybe with other nsrca list stuff, but could be one or more of their other
commercial clients--nscra just rents space from an ISP) then it sends a short
message back to your ISP server "busy-wait". So AOL's server puts it in a
delay queue, and after it takes care of the other 15 million client messages
waiting in its queues, tries again. Oh, but it gets another busy-wait message,
it doubles the delay time and waits again. With busy traffic, and
doubling of the delay time for each busy-wait times, messages can
get wait-delay times 24 hours or longer.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=474552600-07032005></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=474552600-07032005>This same process can happen on the
distribution of the message out to the list members as well. For example,
when the nsrca server tried to contact the AOL server, if it got a wait-busy
reply, it puts the message to you in a wait queue and goes on
through the rest of the list before trying again.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=474552600-07032005></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=474552600-07032005>Of course, some other problems can occur
as well. In the past, we have had AOL's automated spam filtering think that
email from the list was spam and started blocking it.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=474552600-07032005></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=474552600-07032005>Looking the email header info from your
last message, it looks like it took 2 seconds for AOL's server to receive the
message from you. It then took 6 more seconds for it to deliver it to the
nsrca server. Pretty quick, obviously no delay here. It rumbles around through
several spam and virus checkers at nsrca's ISP for a few seconds. Then it hits
a server that's clock is 1+ hour off so who knows. Finally, NSRCA's servers
shoot it to my server 1 minute and 3 seconds after you had hit the send
button.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=474552600-07032005></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=474552600-07032005>So it got to me very fast. My best guess
is that AOL's incoming servers were swamped (there is a spam storm going
on this weekend), they told the NSRCA server to wait-delay a couple of times,
and now your message is in email pergatory. It will eventually flush
through.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=474552600-07032005></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=474552600-07032005>Below is a copy of the route list of your
message that got to me. Its kind of interesting. You read it from the
bottom up. Each of the "Received:" lines is another server or application
(like virus checker) that handled the message.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=474552600-07032005></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=474552600-07032005>Steve Sterling</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=474552600-07032005>NSRCA Webteam</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT
face=Tahoma>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
discussion-request@nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org]<B>On Behalf
Of </B>BUDDYonRC@aol.com<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, March 06, 2005 2:48
PM<BR><B>To:</B> discussion@nsrca.org<BR><B>Subject:</B>
Help!!!<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT face=Arial>
<DIV>If anyone can help? I am getting mail from everyone that mails me direct
but nothing from the discussion list. I am beginning to think I have been cut
off due to recent rules change discussions that I started.</DIV>
<DIV>Please let me back on I won't do it again.</DIV>
<DIV>Buddy</DIV></FONT></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
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<DIV>No Steve</DIV>
<DIV>I am not getting through I have been booted and when I try to sign up again
I Get a reply Journal that says I cannot be added to the discussion mailing
list: error-518979585</DIV>
<DIV>I dont know why or how to fix the problem. I left a message For ED Hartly
on the NSRCA site</DIV>
<DIV>I got ahold of AOL and reset Spam filters they couldnt find a reason that
it wont work nor can I my mail works everywhere else.</DIV>
<DIV>Buddy</DIV></FONT></BODY></HTML>