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It's O.K. Matt, Baby; I love ya!<span class="moz-smiley-s1"><span> :-) </span></span>BG<br>
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<div>Okay, Okay, I give. It was 50 years ago already. Jeeesh that's
as old as I am. <BG> </div>
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<div>Bill, I was just being kind!</div>
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<div>In a message dated 3/10/2005 1:38:05 PM Eastern Standard Time,
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:billglaze@triad.rr.com">billglaze@triad.rr.com</a> writes:</div>
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size="2">While I definitely like the new system of downgrading, I
remember well my first contest season. All that we had, at that time,
was impression judging. (~1955)<br>
And, guess what? It worked remarkably well; I can't recall ever having
misgivings about the placement of at least the first five people; maybe
more.<br>
But yes, now is better, IMHO.<br>
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Bill Glaze<br>
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<div>In pattern there is a hard rule that has been passed by the
CB. It's called the "1 pt per 15 degree " rule, and pattern judges
apply the rule fairly well to center maneuvers at least. Most of the
top judges in pattern try hard NOT to judge " by impression", but
rather by the Downgrade Guidelines that have been established. The
downgrades are often discussed at judging seminars and a handout of
downgrades is given to attendees. Also a list of mandatory zeroes is
given to same. To return back to impression judging would be to take a
step backwards to 20 years ago.</div>
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<div>In a message dated 3/10/2005 1:06:32 AM Eastern Standard
Time, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">It seems to me that the guy
who puts the airplane where the judges can see it should score better
than the guys that fly out in the next county. And it is no more
difficult to judge the ends of a square box than it is to judge the
backline of the vee. And who doesn't judge by impression? The rules
don't specify that things like roll rates, altitudes. and radii need to
be the same on all maneuvers but we are not impressed if they vary all
over the map from maneuver to maneuver. I say forget the box but
downgrade like mad for someone that is out of control on positioning
and that includes being too high, too low, too far up wind or down
wind, in too close or out too far. Amen.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Jim O</font></div>
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