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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>It seems to me that the guy who puts the airplane
where the judges can see it should score better than the guys that fly out in
the next county. And it is no more difficult to judge the ends of a square
box than it is to judge the backline of the vee. And who doesn't judge by
impression? The rules don't specify that things like roll rates,
altitudes. and radii need to be the same on all maneuvers but we are not
impressed if they vary all over the map from maneuver to maneuver. I say
forget the box but downgrade like mad for someone that is out of control on
positioning and that includes being too high, too low, too far up wind or down
wind, in too close or out too far. Amen.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Jim O</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=vanputte@cox.net href="mailto:vanputte@cox.net">Ron Van Putte</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, March 08, 2005 7:17
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Another box rule
(discussion)</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><BR>On Mar 8, 2005, at 8:52 PM, Lance Van Nostrand
wrote:<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>The concept of a
rectangular box, instead of one that is a "vee", is intriguing. It's
hard to judge, but it would allow closer in flight without detriment.<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>And we could say,
"Gee, now we're flying just like IMAC." I think they call it a "zoneless box",
or something like that and they award "style points", or something like that.
Just what we need, no box and impression judging. Back to the dark ages of
judging! : (<BR><BR>Ron Van Putte<BR><BR>
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Original Message -----<?/x-tad-bigger><?/color><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 8080,0000,FFFF><?x-tad-bigger><?/x-tad-bigger><B><?x-tad-bigger>From:<?/x-tad-bigger></B><?x-tad-bigger>
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<?/x-tad-bigger><?/color><?/fontfamily><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 8080,0000,FFFF><?x-tad-bigger>Sent:<?/x-tad-bigger><?/color><?/fontfamily></B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 8080,0000,FFFF><?x-tad-bigger>
Tuesday, March 08, 2005 10:18
AM<?/x-tad-bigger><?/color><?/fontfamily><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 8080,0000,FFFF><?x-tad-bigger>Subject:<?/x-tad-bigger><?/color><?/fontfamily></B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 8080,0000,FFFF><?x-tad-bigger>
Another box rule (discussion)<?/x-tad-bigger><?/color><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 8080,0000,FFFF><?smaller>There
seems to be valid reasons to <B>not change</B> the present pattern box.<?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 8080,0000,FFFF><?smaller>There
are also two seemingly valid questions / problems that the present box
arrangement presents.<?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 8080,0000,FFFF><?smaller>1.
Pilots flying optimum distance out increase the chance of mid air collision.<?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 8080,0000,FFFF><?smaller>2.
Pilots who are somewhat vision limited who would prefer to fly closer in.<?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 8080,0000,FFFF><?smaller>A
possible solution would be to revise the box rules to allow a person who in
advance of his flight accepts a 2% total flight score downgrade to fly in
closer and violate the 60 degree box lines without further downgrade.<?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 8080,0000,FFFF><?smaller>How
about some comments and opinions and any other ideas which would address
these issues.<?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 8080,0000,FFFF><?smaller>Please
don't boot me off of the list again I'm just trying to do my Job.<?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 8080,0000,FFFF><?smaller>Buddy<?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>