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Ed:<br>
Come on down here to the contest at Green Sea on the 2nd and 3rd.
Bring your suntan lotion!<G> Bill Glaze<br>
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Ed Alt wrote:<br>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Yeah Rick, I wish I knew what kind
of Spring rain dance to do to get the weather to break. About ready to
hang myself from the workbench rafters here in the Northern NJ
tundra. Gotta go make some more greenhouse gases now. EVERYONE needs
to do their part!</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Ed</font></div>
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<a title="rickwallace45@hotmail.com"
href="mailto:rickwallace45@hotmail.com">rick wallace</a> </div>
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<a title="geobet@gis.net" href="mailto:geobet@gis.net">geobet@gis.net</a>
; <a title="discussion@nsrca.org" href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</a>
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Wednesday, March 09, 2005 11:49 PM</div>
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[SPAM] Counting others' AMA points / WAS RE: Rules
Changes----Advancement</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;">Georgie -- </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;">Hmmmm… the
only classes where AMA points counting matters are Intermediate and
Advanced. I’m seeing ‘points abuse’ / homesteading in a class as a
non-issue, at least in D1. Maybe I’m missing something… </span></font></p>
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style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;"></span></font> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;">I’ve been
keeping the D1 champs points for the last three years, and as of 2004 I
started tracking all finishing places for all classes for all D1
contests. (great idea, Scott! Thanks) </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;"></span></font> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;">I also kept
my own points count thru Intermediate and Advanced, and moved up only
when I pointed out of each class – and yes, that meant flying Advanced
in 2004 after winning the 2003 Advanced district championship (and NOT
repeating as champ, thank you very much, Ed! <g>) - because I
wasn’t ready to move up. </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;"></span></font> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;">I kind of
enjoy keeping the District champs stats, and making them available to
the District via our web page, but I DON”T particularly want to be the
district watchdog for counting all the AMA points for all our pilots. </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;"> -- Have you
seen any evidence of ‘points abuse’ in D1 Intermediate and Advanced
(the only places where it really counts)? In the 5 years I’ve been
flying pattern I don’t think I have. In fact the results seem to
indicate the opposite- Guys that compete a lot and finish in the top of
the class a lot move up within a year or two. </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;">-- I suspect
that, as MattK pointed out a couple days ago, the advent of the 4 year
life /duration of AMA points effective this year, points will be even
less of an issue for the casual Intermediate / Advanced guy. </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;">-- I can’t
believe that a guy can build / assemble / fly / maintain a competitive
2meter pattern plane and be incapable of keeping his own points count. </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;"></span></font> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;">I’ll be
happy to discuss AMA points counts with any D1 Intermediate or Advanced
guy who doesn’t understand what the system’s about or how to keep
points, and will gladly discuss (OFFLINE / OFFLIST) specifics with
anyone who wants to me to investigate whether one of our guys is
homesteading in a class. </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;"></span></font> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;">But I really
am not in favor of activating a system to scrutinize all 39 (last
year’s count of total faces that flew in at least 1 D1 contest in
Intermediate / Advanced) of our Intermediate and Advanced pilots in
hopes of catching a sandbagger. Let’s focus on having FUN with our toy
airplanes -- and deal with suspected exceptions as exceptions. I have
no problem at all with talking to individuals about how this part of
the system works. </span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;">Thanks for
listening – </span></font></p>
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style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;"></span></font> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;">Anyone know
a ‘no-snow / no-wind’ dance we can do to get some PRACTICE weather here
in the Northeast??? </span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;">Rick </span></font></p>
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size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;">-----Original
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org">discussion-request@nsrca.org</a> [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org">mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org</a>] <b><span
style="font-weight: bold;">On Behalf Of </span></b>George Kennie<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> </span></font><font
face="Tahoma" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;">Wednesday, March 09, 2005</span></font><font
face="Tahoma" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;"> </span></font><font
face="Tahoma" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;">2:29 PM</span></font><font
face="Tahoma" size="2"><span
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: Rules
Changes----Advancement</span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">I think
that if the district CD's were required to include the placement of
"ALL" competitors(not just the first 3 places, but everyone in the
class) in every class when submitting contest reports to the DVP for
inclusion in the K-Factor, then it should be a relatively simple task
to keep track of accrued totals for the season, at the end of which it
could be reported in the K-Factor exactly who had pointed out in each
class.The DVP's responsibility could be considered fulfilled at that
point and have no further requirement to mandate any advancement
demands on the individuals involved as their peer group would, in all
probability, implement that role. <br>
Watcha think??? No good????? <br>
G. <br>
P.S. If the CD's will commit to it, I'd be willing to do the math for
D1. </span></font></p>
<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;">Atwood, Mark wrote: </span></font></p>
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color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;">I guess I’m
going to recuse myself from this discussion as a lot of this has never
really made sense to me. I was never able to console myself from
losing a contest by thinking…”hmmm…that guy that beat me really should
have already moved up.” Nor did I feel any tremendous since of
accomplishment when after finishing 2<sup>nd</sup> all year to
someone…I was suddenly finishing 1<sup>st</sup> because that person was
flying a higher class. <U5:P></U5:P></span></font></p>
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color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;">I will say
this though…regardless of what “rule” WILL be in place…there are rules
in place now. There should be a discussion along side this thread
about enforcement. I think I’m a proponent of NO rule, simply because
that’s effectively what we have in practice today. </span><U5:P></U5:P></font>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><font
color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;">We have only
a small handful of scoring systems in place, all of which could produce
a simple extract file with participants/AMA #/Class/placing, etc…that
could be submitted to an NSRCA rep for import into a central database.
I know…I’m not volunteering either…Lol.</span><U5:P></U5:P></font> </p>
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style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;">-Mark</span><U5:P></U5:P></font>
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