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<DIV>I plan on coming down to the contest. May bring another flier or two from the DC area down with me. Kima is looking forward to seeing her contest people.</DIV>
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<DIV>Randy Hatfield</DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR><BR>> Bill, <BR>> Michelle and I will come with or without any practice. There's room <BR>> in the SUV for golf bags and a plane or two. <BR>> <BR>> The BBQ was so good last year that I would show up and just do contest work <BR>> to get some more of it! <BR>> <BR>> The field is wide open in both directions with trees way out at the far edge <BR>> of a full-size private runway. It will be like a D-1 meeting if we all show <BR>> up! I'm sure that Buff Miller and Bill will be pleased to see us all. <BR>> <BR>> The "Duke" uses this as his home field and I heard that he was getting a bit <BR>> lonely :-) Andy Miller is also rumored to be local as well. <BR>> <BR>> Eric. <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From: "Bill Glaze" <BILLGLAZE@TRIAD.RR.COM><BR>> To: <DISCUSSION@NSRCA.ORG><BR>> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 1:46 PM <BR>> Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Counting others' AMA points / WAS <BR>> RE: Rules Changes----Advancement <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> > Eric's planning on being here--get down here on Friday; we'll give you all <BR>> > the sky youse guys need for practice....and remember, we haven't been shot <BR>> > in the butt with flying time either. Been about 3 weeks since I've been <BR>> > out. Presently the temps are in the low 40's, but they warm up fast to <BR>> > "livable" on the temp scale. <BR>> > As far as the BBQ, the Smiths are doing it; if the rest of the world ever <BR>> > finds out about how good it is, the R/C pilots won't even be able to get <BR>> > close enough to it to get in line.......I told Buff Miller at the last <BR>> > BARKS meet, to "just go ahead with the BBQ, if a contest breaks out, <BR>> > that'll be O.K. too." <BR>> > <BR>> > Bill Glaze <BR>> > <BR>> > Rick Wallace w
rote: <BR>> > <BR>> >> Bill - we're planning to - Ed, me, maybe Anthony, maybe more-- ... but <BR>> >> without at least a practice day or two, it the beer and bbq might not be <BR>> >> worth the gas to get there... or maybe it will be anyway. <BR>> >> <BR>> >> Rick Wallace <BR>> >> <BR>> >> >From: Bill Glaze <BILLGLAZE@TRIAD.RR.COM>>Reply-To: <BR>> >> discussion@nsrca.org >To: discussion@nsrca.org >Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: <BR>> >> [SPAM] Counting others' AMA points / WAS RE: Rules Changes----Advancement <BR>> >> >Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:30:45 -0500 > >Ed: <BR>> >> >Come on down here to the contest at Green Sea on the 2nd and 3rd. <BR>> >> >Bring your suntan lotion!<G> Bill Glaze > >Ed Alt wrote: > >>Yeah <BR>> >> Rick, I wish I knew what kind of Spring rain dance to do to >>get the <BR>> >> weather to break. About ready to hang myself from the >>workbench <BR>> >> rafters here in the Northern NJ tundra. Gotta go make >>some more <BR>> >> greenhouse gases now. EVERYONE needs to do their part! >> Ed >> <BR>> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: rick wallace <BR>> >> <mailto:rickwallace45@hotmail.com>>> To: geobet@gis.net <BR>> >> <mailto:geobet@gis.net>; >>discussion@nsrca.org >> <BR>> >> <mailto:discussion@nsrca.org>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 <BR>> >> 11:49 PM >> Subject: [SPAM] Counting others' AMA points / WAS RE: <BR>> >> Rules >> Changes----Advancement >> >> Georgie -- >> >> <BR>> >> Hmmmm... the only classes where AMA points counting matters >>are <BR>> >> >> Intermediate and Advanced. I'm seeing 'points abuse' / >> <BR>> >> homesteading in a class as a non-issue, at least in D1. Maybe >>I'm <BR>>
>> >> missing something... >> >> >> >> I've been keeping the D1 <BR>> >> champs points for the last three >>years, >> and as of 2004 I started <BR>> >> tracking all finishing places for all >> classes for all D1 contests. <BR>> >> (great idea, Scott! Thanks) >> >> >> >> I also kept my own points <BR>> >> count thru Intermediate and >>Advanced, >> and moved up only when I <BR>> >> pointed out of each class - and yes, >>that >> meant flying Advanced <BR>> >> in 2004 after winning the 2003 Advanced >> district championship <BR>> >> (and NOT repeating as champ, thank you >>very <BR>> >> >> much, Ed! <G>) - because I wasn't ready to move up. >> >> >> I <BR>> >> >> kind of enjoy keeping the District champs stats, and making them >> <BR>> >> >> available to the District via our web page, but I DON"T particularly <BR>> >> >> want to be the district watchdog for counting all the >> AMA <BR>> >> >> points for all our pilots. >> >> -- Have you <BR>> >> seen any evidence of 'points abuse' in D1 >> Intermediate and <BR>> >> Advanced (the only places where it really >> counts)? In the 5 years <BR>> >> I've been flying pattern I don't think >>I >> have. In fact the <BR>> >> results seem to indicate the opposite- Guys >>that >> compete a lot <BR>> >> and finish in the top of the class a lot move up >> within a year or <BR>> >> two. >> >> -- I suspect that, as MattK pointed out a couple days ago, <BR>> >> the >> advent of the 4 year life /duration of AMA points effective <BR>> >> >>this >> year, points will be even less of an issue for the casual <BR>> >> >> Intermediate / Advanced g
uy. >> >> -- <BR>> >> I can't believe that a guy can build / assemble / fly / >> maintain a <BR>> >> competitive 2meter pattern plane and be incapable >>of <BR>> >> >> keeping his own points count. >> >> >> >> I'll be happy to <BR>> >> discuss AMA points counts with any D1 >> Intermediate or Advanced guy <BR>> >> who doesn't understand what the >> system's about or how to keep <BR>> >> points, and will gladly discuss >> (OFFLINE / OFFLIST) specifics with <BR>> >> anyone who wants to me to >> investigate whether one of our guys is <BR>> >> homesteading in a >>class. >> >> >> >> But I really am not in favor <BR>> >> of activating a system to >>scrutinize >> all 39 (last year's count <BR>> >> of total faces that flew in at least >>1 <BR>> >> >> D1 contest in Intermediate / Advanced) of our Intermediate and <BR>> >> >> Advanced pilots in hopes of catching a sandbagger. Let's focus on >> <BR>> >> >> having FUN with our toy airplanes -- and deal with <BR>> >> suspected >> exceptions as exceptions. I have no problem at all with <BR>> >> >>talking to >> individuals about how this part of the system works. <BR>> >> >> >> >> >> Thanks for listening - >> >> >> >> Anyone know a <BR>> >> 'no-snow / no-wind' dance we can do to get some >> PRACTICE weather <BR>> >> here in the Northeast??? >> >> >> >> Rick >> >> >> >> >> <BR>> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: <BR>> >> discussion-request@nsrca.org >> [mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org] <BR>> >> On Behalf Of George >>Kennie <BR>> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, Mar
ch 09, 2005 2:29 PM >> To: <BR>> >> discussion@nsrca.org >> Subject: Re: Rules Changes----Advancement <BR>> >> >> >> >> >> I think that if the district CD's were required to <BR>> >> include the >> placement of "ALL" competitors(not just the first 3 <BR>> >> places, >>but >> everyone in the class) in every class when <BR>> >> submitting contest >> reports to the DVP for inclusion in the <BR>> >> K-Factor, then it >>should >> be a relatively simple task to keep <BR>> >> track of accrued totals >>for >> the season, at the end of which it <BR>> >> could be reported in the >> K-Factor exactly who had pointed out in <BR>> >> each class.The DVP's >> responsibility could be considered fulfilled <BR>> >> at that point and >> have no further requirement to mandate any <BR>> >> advancement demands >>on >> the individuals involved as their peer <BR>> >> group would, in all >> probability, implement that role. >> <BR>> >> Watcha think??? No good????? >> G. >> P.S. If the CD's will <BR>> >> commit to it, I'd be willing to do the >>math >> for D1. <BR>> >> >> >> Atwood, Mark wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> I guess I'm going to <BR>> >> recuse myself from this discussion as a >>>lot >>> of this has never <BR>> >> really made sense to me. I was never able >>>to >>> console myself <BR>> >> from losing a contest by >>>thinking..."hmmm...that >>> guy that beat <BR>> >> me really should have already moved up." Nor >>>did I <BR>> >> >>> feel any tremendous since of accomplishment when after finishing <BR>> >> >>> >>> 2nd all year to someone...I was suddenly <BR>> >> fi
nishing 1st >>>because >>> that person was flying a higher class. <BR>> >> >>> >>> I will say this though...regardless of what "rule" WILL be in <BR>> >> >>> place...there are rules in place now. There should be a >>> <BR>> >> discussion along side this thread about enforcement. I think >>>I'm >>> <BR>> >> a proponent of NO rule, simply because that's effectively >>>what we >>> <BR>> >> have in practice today. >>> >>> We have only a small handful of <BR>> >> scoring systems in place, all >>>of <BR>> >> >>> which could produce a simple extract file with participants/AMA <BR>> >> >>> >>> #/Class/placing, etc...that could be <BR>> >> submitted to an NSRCA >>>rep >>> for import into a central database. <BR>> >> I know...I'm not >>> volunteering either...Lol. >>> <BR>> >> >>> -Mark >>> >> >> <BR>> > <BR>> > ================================================= <BR>> > To access the email archives for this list, go to <BR>> > http://lists.f3a.us/pipermail/nsrca-discussion/ <BR>> > To be removed from this list, go to http://www.nsrca.org/discussionA.htm <BR>> > and follow the instructions. <BR>> > <BR>> <BR>> ================================================= <BR>> To access the email archives for this list, go to <BR>> http://lists.f3a.us/pipermail/nsrca-discussion/ <BR>> To be removed from this list, go to http://www.nsrca.org/discussionA.htm <BR>> and follow the instructions. <BR>> </BLOCKQUOTE></mailto:discussion@nsrca.org></mailto:geobet@gis.net></mailto:rickwallace45@hotmail.com></body></html>