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<DIV>Okay, Okay, I give. It was 50 years ago already. Jeeesh that's as old as I
am. <BG> </DIV>
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<DIV>Bill, I was just being kind!</DIV>
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<DIV>MattK</DIV>
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<DIV>In a message dated 3/10/2005 1:38:05 PM Eastern Standard Time,
billglaze@triad.rr.com writes:</DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>While I
definitely like the new system of downgrading, I remember well my first
contest season. All that we had, at that time, was impression
judging. (~1955)<BR>And, guess what? It worked remarkably well; I
can't recall ever having misgivings about the placement of at least the first
five people; maybe more.<BR>But yes, now is better, IMHO.<BR><BR>Bill
Glaze<BR><BR><A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated
title=mailto:Rcmaster199@aol.com
href="mailto:Rcmaster199@aol.com">Rcmaster199@aol.com</A> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV>In pattern there is a hard rule that has been passed by the CB. It's
called the "1 pt per 15 degree " rule, and pattern judges apply the rule
fairly well to center maneuvers at least. Most of the top judges in pattern
try hard NOT to judge " by impression", but rather by the
Downgrade Guidelines that have been established. The downgrades are often
discussed at judging seminars and a handout of downgrades is given to
attendees. Also a list of mandatory zeroes is given to same. To return back
to impression judging would be to take a step backwards to 20 years
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<DIV>MattK</DIV>
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<DIV>In a message dated 3/10/2005 1:06:32 AM Eastern Standard Time, <A
class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated title=mailto:joddino@socal.rr.com
href="mailto:joddino@socal.rr.com">joddino@socal.rr.com</A> writes:</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>It seems to me that the guy who puts the
airplane where the judges can see it should score better than the guys
that fly out in the next county. And it is no more difficult to
judge the ends of a square box than it is to judge the backline of the
vee. And who doesn't judge by impression? The rules don't
specify that things like roll rates, altitudes. and radii need to be
the same on all maneuvers but we are not impressed if they vary all over
the map from maneuver to maneuver. I say forget the box but
downgrade like mad for someone that is out of control on positioning and
that includes being too high, too low, too far up wind or down wind, in
too close or out too far. Amen.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Jim
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