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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Yeah Rick, I wish I knew what kind of Spring rain
dance to do to get the weather to break. About ready to hang myself from
the workbench rafters here in the Northern NJ tundra. Gotta
go make some more greenhouse gases now. EVERYONE needs to do their
part!</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ed</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=rickwallace45@hotmail.com
href="mailto:rickwallace45@hotmail.com">rick wallace</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=geobet@gis.net
href="mailto:geobet@gis.net">geobet@gis.net</A> ; <A
title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, March 09, 2005 11:49
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [SPAM] Counting others' AMA
points / WAS RE: Rules Changes----Advancement</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Georgie --
</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hmmmm… the only
classes where AMA points counting matters are Intermediate and Advanced.
I’m seeing ‘points abuse’ / homesteading in a class as a non-issue, at
least in D1. Maybe I’m missing something… </SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I’ve been keeping the
D1 champs points for the last three years, and as of 2004 I started tracking
all finishing places for all classes for all D1 contests. (great idea, Scott!
Thanks) </SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I also kept my own
points count thru Intermediate and Advanced, and moved up only when I pointed
out of each class – and yes, that meant flying Advanced in 2004 after winning
the 2003 Advanced district championship (and NOT repeating as champ,
thank you very much, Ed! <g>) - because I wasn’t ready to move up.
</SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I kind of enjoy
keeping the District champs stats, and making them available to the District
via our web page, but I DON”T particularly want to be the district watchdog
for counting all the AMA points for all our pilots. </SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> -- Have you
seen any evidence of ‘points abuse’ in D1 Intermediate and Advanced (the only
places where it really counts)? In the 5 years I’ve been flying pattern I
don’t think I have. In fact the results seem to indicate the opposite- Guys
that compete a lot and finish in the top of the class a lot move up within a
year or two. </SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">-- I suspect that, as
MattK pointed out a couple days ago, the advent of the 4 year life /duration
of AMA points effective this year, points will be even less of an issue for
the casual Intermediate / Advanced guy. </SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">-- I can’t believe
that a guy can build / assemble / fly / maintain a competitive 2meter pattern
plane and be incapable of keeping his own points count. </SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I’ll be happy to
discuss AMA points counts with any D1 Intermediate or Advanced guy who doesn’t
understand what the system’s about or how to keep points, and will gladly
discuss (OFFLINE / OFFLIST) specifics with anyone who wants to me to
investigate whether one of our guys is homesteading in a class.
</SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">But I really am not
in favor of activating a system to scrutinize all 39 (last year’s count of
total faces that flew in at least 1 D1 contest in Intermediate / Advanced) of
our Intermediate and Advanced pilots in hopes of catching a sandbagger. Let’s
focus on having FUN with our toy airplanes -- and deal with suspected
exceptions as exceptions. I have no problem at all with talking to individuals
about how this part of the system works. </SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Thanks for listening
– </SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Anyone know a
‘no-snow / no-wind’ dance we can do to get some PRACTICE weather here in the
Northeast??? </SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Rick
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original
Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B>
discussion-request@nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>George Kennie<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Wednesday, March 09,
2005</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">2:29
PM</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> discussion@nsrca.org<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: Rules
Changes----Advancement</SPAN></FONT></P>
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size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I think that if the district CD's were
required to include the placement of "ALL" competitors(not just the first 3
places, but everyone in the class) in every class when submitting contest
reports to the DVP for inclusion in the K-Factor, then it should be a
relatively simple task to keep track of accrued totals for the season, at the
end of which it could be reported in the K-Factor exactly who had pointed out
in each class.The DVP's responsibility could be considered fulfilled at that
point and have no further requirement to mandate any advancement demands on
the individuals involved as their peer group would, in all probability,
implement that role. <BR>Watcha think??? No good????? <BR>G. <BR>P.S. If the
CD's will commit to it, I'd be willing to do the math for D1.
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Atwood, Mark wrote: </SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=navy
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I
guess I’m going to recuse myself from this discussion as a lot of this has
never really made sense to me. I was never able to console myself from
losing a contest by thinking…”hmmm…that guy that beat me really should have
already moved up.” Nor did I feel any tremendous since of
accomplishment when after finishing 2<SUP>nd</SUP> all year to someone…I was
suddenly finishing 1<SUP>st</SUP> because that person was flying a higher
class. <U5:P></U5:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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size=2><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=navy
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I will
say this though…regardless of what “rule” WILL be in place…there are rules
in place now. There should be a discussion along side this thread
about enforcement. I think I’m a proponent of NO rule, simply because
that’s effectively what we have in practice
today. </SPAN><U5:P></U5:P></FONT> </P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=navy
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">We
have only a small handful of scoring systems in place, all of which could
produce a simple extract file with participants/AMA #/Class/placing,
etc…that could be submitted to an NSRCA rep for import into a central
database. I know…I’m not volunteering
either…Lol.</SPAN><U5:P></U5:P></FONT> </P>
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size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">-Mark</SPAN><U5:P></U5:P></FONT>
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