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a year at a Judging seminar, is have a demo flight flown & we all judge
this flight. Then in addition to the class we review our scores with everyone. I’m
sure we all could pick up a thing or two in this environment.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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FAI guy fly advanced & film IF possible. That way nobody gets an advantage
or there feelings bruised.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>I also wish there was a way at the district
levels we could find a way to rank our judging. Have a few rounds flown with a 3
or more panel of judges & get ranking numbers.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> discussion-request@nsrca.org
[mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></b>Lance Van Nostrand<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, May 12, 2005 11:40
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> discussion@nsrca.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: Judging</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Good question and I'm trying to
think of an answer. The problem is, we don't really know how manuvers are
being judged as a general rule. If one makes a point to watch a specific
flight, and then go peek at their tear sheet, you can find out. Or maybe
you might notice that a pilot you think you beat actually beats you could lead
you to wonder if those mistakes you saw were also observed by the judge.
but as a general rule this is a hard question. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> I've said it before,
but I think not having a way to see the judges scores for a flight in near real
time keeps pattern confusing for interested spectators and difficult for us to
improve our judging. If this were available, I'm sure most pilots would
be intrigued enough to watch a flight and compare the judges score to their own
score to see how it compares. Spectators would feel they could follow
along and have a feel for how the contest is going and when a particularly good
flight was performed. Pilots might also have particular interest in their
buddy's performance, or might compare their assessments to those of a respected
judge. It might spark other conversations over a beer regarding
perceptions, none of which I can see as damaging.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> A thread some time ago
described various ways to do this. The easiest was to have
"scribes" that held up their hands with a manuver score. Back
of the hand was a whole number, palms facing was a half point.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> I bet if we tried this at
contests over the next few weeks you'd be more likely to get feedback on your
question.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>--Lance</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in;background:#E4E4E4'><b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:don.ramsey@cox.net" title="don.ramsey@cox.net">Don Ramsey</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org" title="discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</a>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Thursday, May
12, 2005 9:48 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Judging<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Are there any areas that seem to be
miss judged at the contest you attend? If you think so, please send me an
email at <a href="mailto:don.ramsey@cox.net">don.ramsey@cox.net</a> so I can
discuss them in the K-Factor.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Don Ramsey<br>
NSRCA Judging Committee Chairman<br>
AMA 6096 NSRCA 1506<br>
email: <a href="mailto:don.ramsey@cox.net">don.ramsey@cox.net</a><br>
website: <a href="http://members.cox.net/don.ramsey">http://members.cox.net/don.ramsey</a></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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