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<DIV>Some good points are made below.</DIV>
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<DIV>When and if the opportunity comes to mess with the verbage, lets see if we can find a way to remove the current process which requires continued judge attentition to the take off and landing sequences. </DIV>
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<DIV>Let the judges have those few minutes to extend the break from previous pilot exiting the box, to next pilot entering. A bit longer break may pay dividends in improved judging of the "judged" maneuvers.</DIV>
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<DIV>Later, Ron Lockhart</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The spirit of the new rule is to get us to take-off, execute a positioning procedure before we enter the box. WITHOUT goofing around. Similarly for landings.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The English is off a little but common sense should prevail especially as the season wears on. Just remember that idea was to save time during a contest and then it should work.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Having judged the FAI procedures I can tell you that it is a pain watching a plane for all of the flight. C'est la vie!</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Regards,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Eric.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=crock@kc.rr.com href="mailto:crock@kc.rr.com">Charlie Rock</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, May 16, 2005 3:17 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: calling complete for new takeoff</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I agree what was broken with the way of years past...Nothing that I have seen..I can not wait for the my first contest and hear a zero called for a takeoff that was perfectly good last year and now is a zero for no wings level or some such..Charlie</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=pattern4u@comcast.net href="mailto:pattern4u@comcast.net">Grow Pattern</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, May 16, 2005 8:52 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: calling complete for new takeoff</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The FAI system is a take-off procedure and landing procedure. They also use a time-to-do-the-schedule system. They changed over to the 0 or 10 system to prevent hot-dogging, time-wasting and maneuver practicing during a contest.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Did we have that problem? What was broken??</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Eric.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=don.ramsey@cox.net href="mailto:don.ramsey@cox.net">Don Ramsey</A> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, May 16, 2005 9:10 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> calling complete for new takeoff</DIV>
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<DIV>The simple answer is call the takeoff complete when it is complete and that is when the turnaround is done just before the call for "entering the box." Call the landing when it begins and that is just after the last maneuver in the sequence or after the plane is "out of the box" at the end of the sequence. You could call "exit the box, landing sequence". The landing is complete after the model has rolled 10 meters and is below flying speed. The question is, what is the downgrade if the calls are not made? The only downgrade is 10 points resulting is zero if this was the intent of the regs (I'm almost certain this was not intended). There are areas of the new rules that seem to leave some area for wiggle here so I'll have something official on this soon.</DIV>
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<DIV>Don </DIV>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=patternrules@earthlink.net href="mailto:patternrules@earthlink.net">Steven Maxwell</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, May 16, 2005 2:17 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: calling complete for new takeoff</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="MS Sans Serif">The main question came from a new sportsman pilot that will be atending his first contest next weekend, he helped scribe last year at the D4 D5 shootout and knows how it was done last year, it's a real simple question and theres not an answer to it yet.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="MS Sans Serif"> When does he call complete for takeoff?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="MS Sans Serif"> When does he call start for the landing? </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="MS Sans Serif"> Steve Maxwell </FONT></DIV>
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