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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=218593520-16052005><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>I would love nothing more than to see a
ruling/clarification from the AMA Contest board to the effect you state
below....problem solved, discussion complete until time for a re-write in the
future rules cycle.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=218593520-16052005><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Until then, as a contestant or judge, it is inappropriate
and goes against all that is good about pattern to interpret the "spirit"
of the written rule and judge takeoffs/landing to whatever standard my "common
sense" provides. After all, my "common sense" and yours may not be
the same...I may see it "common sense" to do a humpty-bump with a full roll
in the downline to turnaround and set up for final after ending
downwind on the intermediate sequence, while your common sense may see it as a
nice round zero....</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=218593520-16052005><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>It appears that what the CD's (at least so far in D6)
seem to be doing is applying their own "common sense", and allowing some
discussion at the pilot meetings and then announcing that a runway
landing is a 10 and off-runway landing is zero...same for takeoffs.
It's unfortunate that this is having to be done this way, and it may be setting
up more than a few contestants for alot of zeros at the Nats, where the AMA is
king, and you'll have the same folks who's "common sense" created the
rule running the show...somehow.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=218593520-16052005><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Richard</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B>
discussion-request@nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf
Of </B>Grow Pattern<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, May 16, 2005 3:08 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
discussion@nsrca.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: calling complete for new
takeoff<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The spirit of the new rule is to get us to
take-off, execute a positioning procedure before we enter the box. WITHOUT
goofing around. Similarly for landings.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The English is off a little but common sense should
prevail especially as the season wears on. Just remember that idea was to save
time during a contest and then it should work.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Having judged the FAI procedures I
can tell you that it is a pain watching a plane for all of the flight. C'est la
vie!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Regards,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Eric.</FONT></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=crock@kc.rr.com href="mailto:crock@kc.rr.com">Charlie Rock</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, May 16, 2005 3:17 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: calling complete for new
takeoff</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I agree what was broken with the way of years
past...Nothing that I have seen..I can not wait for the my first contest and
hear a zero called for a takeoff that was perfectly good last year and now is
a zero for no wings level or some such..Charlie</FONT></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=pattern4u@comcast.net href="mailto:pattern4u@comcast.net">Grow
Pattern</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, May 16, 2005 8:52
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: calling complete for new
takeoff</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The FAI system is a take-off procedure and
landing procedure. They also use a time-to-do-the-schedule system. They
changed over to the 0 or 10 system to prevent hot-dogging,
time-wasting and maneuver practicing during a contest.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Did we have that problem? What was
broken??</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Eric.</FONT></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=don.ramsey@cox.net href="mailto:don.ramsey@cox.net">Don
Ramsey</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, May 16, 2005 9:10
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> calling complete for new
takeoff</DIV>
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<DIV>The simple answer is call the takeoff complete when it is complete
and that is when the turnaround is done just before the call for "entering
the box." Call the landing when it begins and that is just after the
last maneuver in the sequence or after the plane is "out of the box"
at the end of the sequence. You could call "exit the box, landing
sequence". The landing is complete after the model has rolled 10
meters and is below flying speed. The question is, what is the
downgrade if the calls are not made? The only downgrade is 10 points
resulting is zero if this was the intent of the regs (I'm almost certain
this was not intended). There are areas of the new rules that
seem to leave some area for wiggle here so I'll have
something official on this soon.</DIV>
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<DIV>Don </DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=patternrules@earthlink.net
href="mailto:patternrules@earthlink.net">Steven Maxwell</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, May 16, 2005 2:17
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: calling complete for
new takeoff</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="MS Sans Serif">The main question came from a new
sportsman pilot that will be atending his first contest next weekend, he
helped scribe last year at the D4 D5 shootout and knows how it was done
last year, it's a real simple question and theres not an answer to it
yet.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="MS Sans Serif"> When does he call complete for
takeoff?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="MS Sans Serif"> When does he call start for the
landing? </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="MS Sans Serif"> Steve Maxwell </FONT></DIV>
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