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<DIV>These days when Im leaving the pattern I find the other guy and get outta the way, usually by going low and coming inside the pattern.<BR><BR><B><I>Keith Black <tkeithb@comcast.net></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">I've weighed in plenty on this subject so I'll leave it to Don to work this<BR>out and I'll follow whatever rules are decided on.<BR><BR>However, I do have a VERY IMPORTANT SAFETY point to make.<BR><BR>Dowane, you stated: "...fly either two 180° turns in Intermediate not<BR>passing the center pole or one 180° turn in all other classes."<BR><BR>I would STRONGLY advise against making the second 180° before passing the<BR>center pole. This requires the Intermediate pilot to cut across the middle<BR>of the pattern the other pilot is flying. I've seen two mid-airs occur from<BR>this practice, one with an Intermediate pilot and a Masters pilot and one<BR>with two FAI pilots at NATS (when the finishing pilot cut across to avoid<BR>exiting the box). I know it's a low likelihood of a mid-air occurring, but<BR>this quick cut across the middle unnecessarily raises the odds.<BR><BR>Keith
Black<BR><BR>----- Original Message ----- <BR>From: "Dowane Gould" <IFLYRC24@COLUMBUS.RR.COM><BR>To: <DISCUSSION@NSRCA.ORG><BR>Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 5:58 PM<BR>Subject: RE: Take Off & Landing "Reality of a Contest"<BR><BR><BR>Mainly "because the rule book says so!"<BR><BR>After flying in said first contest the most reasonable calls seemed to be to<BR>call take off when the judges are ready and take off. Then climb out with<BR>pilots choice 180° turn or a procedure turn. After the 180° or 270° turns<BR>you would fly a 15 meter line and call "take off complete".<BR>On landings the pilot would call "commencing landing" as the plane was<BR>crossing the outer box markers and following the rule book fly either two<BR>180° turns in Intermediate not passing the center pole or one 180° turn in<BR>all other classes.<BR><BR>Since the 15 meter line rule is attached to every other maneuver we fly why<BR>wouldn't...shouldn't it apply these maneuvers???<BR><BR>Hope the Powers that Be get
this cleared up<BR>Dowayne<BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: discussion-request@nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org] On<BR>Behalf Of Jim Ivey<BR>Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 5:23 PM<BR>To: discussion@nsrca.org<BR>Subject: Re: Take Off & Landing "Reality of a Contest"<BR><BR>Larry<BR>I don't see what is wrong or needs to be changed from the old way of ----<BR>calling take-off complete at the altitude of 6 ft or 2 meters. Or calling<BR>landing beginning at 6ft or 2 meters. Why confuse everybody with something<BR>to do between takeoff complete and entry to the box and the exit box call<BR>and landing. It is the FAI procedure that requires the takeoff sequence.. We<BR>don't need a sequence.It wastes time and gives the judges more work,when it<BR>has no function.<BR>It is simple, takeoff complete at 2 meters or 6ft and enter the box. Exit<BR>box and landing beginning at 2 meters or 6ft.<BR>I don't understand how this got so confusing when it was so
simple.<BR><BR>Jim Ivey<BR>><BR>> From: "Larry Diamond" <LLD613@PSCI.NET><BR>> Date: 2005/05/22 Sun PM 05:57:06 EDT<BR>> To: "NSRCA" <DISCUSSION@NSRCA.ORG><BR>> Subject: Take Off & Landing "Reality of a Contest"<BR>><BR>> I know there has been much discussion on this, but after CDing a contest<BR>> this weekend, I believe there needs to be a clear understanding of what is<BR>> expected in two areas.<BR>><BR>> 1) When to call "Take-Off complete / Landing commencing". When does it<BR>> need to be called? After exiting the Box for the last maneuver for<BR>Landing.<BR>> Prior to entering the box for the trim pass on Take-Off. This is what<BR>makes<BR>> sense to me from CDing a contest.<BR>><BR>> 2) Is a Dead-Stick Landing a "Zero Landing"? At the beginning of our<BR>> contest I stated that we would not zero TO / L for calling. So we scored<BR>all<BR>> landings. However, if a dead-stick prevents completing the prescribed<BR>>
maneuver, then a zero is really the most likely result at the NATS. I<BR>don't<BR>> believe this was intended.<BR>><BR>> The Judging committee should really jump on this and get clarification out<BR>> as quickly as possible for the "Official Judge Ruling" People are trying<BR>to<BR>> practice this and although seemingly easy on paper, the execution of<BR>calling<BR>> and judging properly does get a bit confusing...We need to make sure<BR>> everyone is practicing this correctly before the NATS or it will be a<BR>> potential area of concern for the CD's...<BR>><BR>> Larry Diamond<BR>> NSRCA 3083<BR>><BR>><BR><BR>=================================================<BR>To access the email archives for this list, go to<BR>http://lists.f3a.us/pipermail/nsrca-discussion/<BR>To be removed from this list, go to http://www.nsrca.org/discussionA.htm<BR>and follow the instructions.<BR><BR>List members email returned for mailbox full will be removed from the
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