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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Ron,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>I flew in a contest with Ed 4 or 5 years ago and remember
him as being VERY capable.....</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Verne</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=vanputte@cox.net href="mailto:vanputte@cox.net">Ron Van Putte</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, June 09, 2005 2:06
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [SPAM] Re: New
Sequences</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><BR>On Jun 9, 2005, at 10:42 AM, Ed Hartley wrote:<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE><?bigger>Well said Verne! Since I reached the ripe young age of
seventy-three and for flying purposes became a one eyed pilot, I can
appreciate the class thing. I am still trying to fly Masters but
it really is an uphill battle. Not like it was even ten years ago!<?/bigger><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Don't let Ed Hartley tell you he's an old
guy. He just looks old. Anyone with the enthusiasm and drive that Ed has can't
be all that old. He's still a pretty good pilot, too. When the dust cleared at
the Knoxville contest, he'd beaten at least three other pilots, me included. I
think this "one-eyed pilot" story is just a plea for better scores.<BR><BR>Ron
Van Putte<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE><BR><?bigger>I am trying with great difficulty to stay away from
the "why-bother" level!<?/bigger><BR> <BR><?bigger>Best,<?/bigger><BR><?bigger>Ed
Hartley<?/bigger><BR><?color><?param 0000,0000,EEEE><?bigger>roho2@rcpattern.com<?/bigger><?/color><BR>
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Re: [SPAM] Re: New Sequences<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial>Terry,<?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial>There
are rules proposals in the survey that cover your situation. Many of them
make a lot of sense, at least to me. You can find them as well as the
proposed schedules on the NSRCA site. It's a little tricky, but we have to
deal with the fact that there are a lot of guys who just love to fly
pattern, support our contests and are our friends that won't make it to
the top. The reasons can be job/family demands, financial, skill or
deteriorating skill with age, or any number of other factors. The trick is
to adopt rules that accommodate those things while still preventing
the trophy hog from laying around in a class year after year. Some of the
proposals address those things and merit all of our attention. If we
ignore them, we'll find our already-shrinking local contests reduced to a
"why-bother"
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Re: [SPAM] Re: New Sequences<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><BR>Just
another comment. Keep in mind that I have not seen the new sequence
yet.<BR> <BR>I have been flying Advance since 1989, before
turnaround. I don't believe I have won a contest in that time, and have
had only a couple of 2nds. Right now, I am looking at the jump to
Masters as being too big for me. I have learned to handle the current
schedule, maybe not as smoothly as most, but I can get thru the sequence
without embarresing myself.<BR> <BR>If the new sequence is
"easier", I can see myself in a position where I could be winning some
contests, and would be forced out of the class, again with a much bigger
leap to a class I feel is already beyond my abilities.<BR> <BR>At
my age, learning new tricks, when the old have not been perfected, may
just push some of us in similar situations completely out of the
mix.<BR> <BR>Terry T.<BR> <BR> <BR>On Wed, 8 Jun 2005
21:40:24 -0700 (PDT) Rodney Tanner
<<?color><?param 0000,0000,EEEE>rodney19821982@yahoo.com<?/color>>
writes:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>Bill, Mike:<BR>I see the argument for a smoother
transition between 402 and 403 and in the context of the overall
progression through the classes it is probably a valid one, especially
for the Intermediate guy coming up. Personally, though, I
am glad for the leap I am going through in the current 403 - Advanced
and canīt wait to go up to Masters, which I now see as more of a
logical step up, rather than the big, intentional, leap it will be in
the future. <BR>Good job
guys.<BR> <BR>Rodney <BR><BR><B><I>Mike Hester
<kerlock@comcast.net></I></B> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>What Bill said.<BR><BR>We had 2 choices to smooth out
that huge leap between 402 and 403: make 402<BR>tougher or make 403
slightly easier. The overwhelming majority was against<BR>making 402
any tougher, so we went this way. Like Bill said, look at
the<BR>schedules in relation to each other and consider that
carefully before<BR>anyone votes on them. There are a couple of ways
we could end up with a<BR>worse problem than we currently have. My
hope is everyone will put a lot of<BR>thought into their choices.
I'm reminded of teh old knight at the end of<BR>Indiana Jones and
the Last Crusade....."choose wisely". Look what happened<BR>to the
guy that picked the wrong one. Eek.<BR><BR>-Mike<BR>----- Original
Message -----<BR>From: "Bill Pritchett"<BR>To:<BR>Sent: Wednesday,
June 08, 2005 8:03 PM<BR>Subject: New Sequences<BR><BR><BR>>
Rodney:<BR>> Both proposed Advanced schedules are "easier" than
the current Advanced<BR>> schedule. This was one of the criteria
that we worked with, based upon<BR>> overwhelming opinion that
the jump to Advanced is currently too much. I<BR>> like both
schedules (not because I'm on the committee...hehe), but
what<BR>> this WILL do is make the jump to Masters much bigger
for the guys that<BR>> will come through these schedules. I am
sort of a victim of having made<BR>> the current jump, and now
that I've made it, felt that I could objectively<BR>> help others
coming up in seasons to come not deal with some of the
issues<BR>> current Advanced flyers have had to handle. Our
current schedule calls<BR>> for 10 maneuvers prior to a cross box
turnaround. Although there is<BR>> discussion on the list right
now about being on that "line", and a cross<BR>> box being a
bother, let's face it, most Advanced flyers need to adjust<BR>>
in/out earlier than 10 maneuvers in. Lots of thought and discussion
went<BR>> into these, and I'm sure that everyone on the committee
hopes that the<BR>> NSRCA membership takes a deep collective
breath before making any<BR>> judgments. One thing we all tried
to do is make it more even in jumps<BR>> between classes, up to
Masters. We all seemed to agree that Masters<BR>> should be the
"big" jump, and a jump that provides a class of<BR>>
"Destination" for some, and FAI prep for others. I hope that you,
and<BR>> others, will look at the proposed Advanced schedule as a
part of the<BR>> whole, and not a direct comparison to the
present.<BR>> Thanks<BR>> Bill<BR>><BR>><BR>> Bill
Pritchett<BR>> 765-744-9322<BR>><BR>>
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