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<DIV>This is a new twist (value of tradition) and I like it. You can see the focus and intensity of the pilot disappear after the last "exiting the box". I'd venture to say that when we scored landings I always know as a caller that once the pilot was setup for landing I could start walking upwind to retrive the plane as soon as it stops. Now I wait with the pilot because its a 50 50 chance whether he'll land near the center and roll upwind, or if it will touchdown short or late and require a big walk in either direction. Not scoring landings has slowed things down.</DIV>
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<DIV class=signature id=signature>--<BR>District 6 AVP <BR>www.aeroslave.com</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">FWIW…I haven’t really seen many comments from folks that have recently joined the ranks of Pattern…So here is my take…<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I started flying Pattern in 2003. From my viewpoint, the scored L/TO has made me work on both. Before competing in Pattern, I wouldn’t fly if the wind was above 10mph. If it was a crosswind, I wouldn’t fly. Since 2003, my T/O’s are much better. I feel more comfortable with the cross wind and don’t feel the need to warn the judges about wearing a hard hat when I fly now…VBG<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I can say with certainty. If the L/TO were not judged when I was in Sportsman, I had plenty of other problems to worry about. I worked more on the L/TO than anything else because it was easier to fix and still had allot of scoring weight in Sportsman.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Because of my own experience, I’m a strong believer that it should be scored through Advanced. Some of the comments I heared when I was flying at clubs around the country were, “You can always tell a Pattern Pilot because the L/TO are always close to perfect”. I heard this at almost every field I flew at while serving in the Navy…<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Perhaps from my military background I’m big on tradition. IMHO, if there is something that is good and sets you apart from all others, stay with it…It’s a Tradition…<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Larry Diamond<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">----- Original Message -----<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><B><?x-tad-bigger><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN><?/x-tad-bigger></B><?x-tad-bigger> discussion-request@nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org] <B><?x-tad-bigger><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold"><?/x-tad-bigger>On Behalf Of </SPAN><?/x-tad-bigger></B><?x-tad-bigger>Keith Black<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><B><?x-tad-bigger><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN><?/x-tad-bigger></B><?x-tad-bigger> Monday, June 13, 2005 10:19 AM<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><B><?x-tad-bigger><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN><?/x-tad-bigger></B><?x-tad-bigger> discussion@nsrca.org<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><B><?x-tad-bigger><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN><?/x-tad-bigger></B><?x-tad-bigger> Re: Landing Direction<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger> <BR><?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>Marguerite,<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger> <BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>Actually, I don't think you're alone on this issue. The NSRCA poll showed overwhelmingly that the membership wanted scored t/o and landings as did the public outcry after the majority's desires were disregarded. Apparently even the contest board would have voted to keep the old rule but the question was worded in such a way to confuse two of the contest board members.<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger> <BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>Now that the new messed up rule has caused so much confusion I think everyone is getting so fed-up with it that many would rather have nothing at all than what we have now. To me this has more to do with being sick of all the ridiculous discussions than a real desire of pattern pilots to not score t/o and landings.<BR
><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger> <BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>I for one have been paying attention to take-offs and landings this year and find it a real shame that we don't have those beautiful centered liftoffs and gentle climb outs. The new guys coming into sportsman will miss out on this discipline.<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger> <BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>Keith<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger> <BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>----- Original Message -----<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily></B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger> <?/x-tad-bigger><?color><?param 0000,0000,FFFF><?x-tad-bigger>MargueriteVG@aol.com<?/x-tad-bigger><?/color><?x-tad-bigger> <BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily></B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger> <?/x-tad-bigger><?color><?param 0000,0000,FFFF><?x-tad-bigger>patternrules@earthlink.net<?/x-tad-bigger><?/color><?x-tad-bigger> ; <?/x-tad-bigger><?color><?param 0000,0000,FFFF><?x-tad-bigger>discussion@nsrca.org<?/x-tad-bigger><?/color><?x-tad-bigger> <BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily></B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger> Monday, June 13, 2005 8:58 AM<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily></B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger> Re: Landing Direction<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger> <BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger> <BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>Good Morning...... oh oh here goes...<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger> I agree it is important to encourage good landings and take and I will add to your statement... why not all classes with take off and landing. Yes, for the most part the pilots in the higher classes will ace the landing. I have seen the higher classes mes
s up on the landings (yes and almost hit me while I was in a contest flying)<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger> Take off and landing perfectly all the time is the goal for any pilot. This seems to be getting so involved. I know I am out for the most part alone on this issue and that is fine with me. ITs just that I would like to see the pattern community respect this issue and set a good example for all pilots joining on to Precision Aerobatics.<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger> A well done take off and a well done landing is certainly part of flying aerobatic competition in all classes. Its the start ... and it should be. I was glad to see someone out there was thinking along the same lines here.<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>Marguerite<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger> <BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>In a message dated 6/13/2005 8:23:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, patternrules@earthlink.net writes:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>> Personally Jerry, I'd like to see us score landings and take offs for<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>Sportsman and Intermediate. Given the k-factor of their total schedule<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>it's a meaningful part, and the ability to land well in a high crosswind is<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>something they'll need to be comfortable with, so it's worth rewarding ann<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>motivating the practice required to do it well.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></body></html>