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<DIV>Don: </DIV>
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<DIV>I could not agree more! </DIV>
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<DIV>We certainly ARE going to see a deterioration of these flight
elements.</DIV>
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<DIV>As far as speeding up the contest, lets take a look.</DIV>
<DIV>Average copntest today 24?? fliers. Maybe we save 15 seconds per TO. If
using 2 lines, that saves a whopping 3 minutes per round. In four rounds on Sat
you will save 12 minutes!!!!! That is ONE flight, maybe 2 Sportsman
flights.</DIV>
<DIV>OK, you say you save 30 seconds.........double it!!</DIV>
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<DIV>As to the safety issue, most fields have the pilots standing behind a
barrier of some type, there is a caller to keep track, and in nearly 20 years of
doing this, I have never seen anyone hit, yes, some reasonably close calls, but
in reality even these were more scary than dangerous. The degrading of the TO
and ldg scoring may even result in MORE of these scares!!</DIV>
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<DIV>IMHO!!</DIV>
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<DIV>Terry T.</DIV>
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<DIV>On Mon, 13 Jun 2005 16:26:45 EDT <A
href="mailto:AtwoodDon@aol.com">AtwoodDon@aol.com</A> writes:</DIV>
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<DIV>Well, if we are going to this type scoring, I vote for a couple of throw
out or King's X maneuvers per flight, pilot's choice of course. Best 20
or so maneuvers counts?</DIV>
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<DIV>Seriously, I have been trying to catch up on the long list of emails
pertaining to judging or not judging TO and Landings with a lot of good points
made on both sidespertaining to faster contests and safer environments.
Maybe my grey hair is showing, but I guess I disagree with the comments about
TO/landing not being aerobatic maneuvers, not important, etc. My opinion
is they are the most critical 2 maneuvers per flight and barring radio
problems, probably are most responsible for aircraft damage at any
contest. Therefore, I think they should be judged (forcing the pilot to
actually practice them) and quite frankly I believe they should have something
greater than 1 as a multiplier.</DIV>
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<DIV>These two maneuvers require the pilot to control the aircraft in a
rapidly changing airspeed situation and demonstrate control during those
changes. Takes all 4 control axis, etc. Kind of a back to the
basics opinion, but we have all seen the onset of the blast it into the air
and hope it hits the runway when it comes down approach. I for one do
not believe this approach improves anything, may even cause more deterioration
in actual 'flying' skills in our entry and mid-level classes.</DIV>
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<DIV>OK, let me get my fire suit button up here...... OK, I'm
ready..... ;-)</DIV>
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<DIV>Don Atwood</DIV>
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<DIV>In a message dated 6/13/2005 1:09:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
vanputte@cox.net writes:</DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>On Jun
13, 2005, at 2:26 PM, Cameron Smith wrote:<BR><BR>> Top-Hats & Humpty
Bumps also!!! If you aint Hovering you aint flying! <BR>> (Oops
wrong discussion group;-)<BR><BR>Well, as long as we're voting here, I vote
for non-scored Diamond 8s in <BR>the Master class. Everyone should
just admire the beauty of the <BR>maneuver and not be critical and
judgmental.<BR><BR>Ron Van Putte<BR><BR>> <BR>> -----Original
Message-----<BR>> From: discussion-request@nsrca.org <BR>>
[mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Keith Hoard<BR>> Sent:
Monday, June 13, 2005 11:39 AM<BR>> To: discussion@nsrca.org<BR>>
Subject: RE: Landing Direction; Spins, and Snaps. . .<BR>> <BR>>
I think we should stop scoring spins and snaps, also. What do you
<BR>> guys think?? <BR>> <BR>> <BR>>
<BR>> Keith L. Hoard<BR>> Cordova, TN<BR>>
khoard@midsouth.rr.com<BR>> <BR>> <BR>>
<BR>><BR>> From: discussion-request@nsrca.org <BR>>
[mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Keith Black<BR>> Sent:
Monday, June 13, 2005 10:19 AM<BR>> To: discussion@nsrca.org<BR>>
Subject: Re: Landing Direction<BR>> <BR>> Marguerite,<BR>>
<BR>> Actually, I don't think you're alone on this issue. The NSRCA
poll <BR>> showed overwhelmingly that the membership wanted scored t/o
and <BR>> landings as did the public outcry after the majority's desires
were <BR>> disregarded. Apparently even the contest board would have
voted to <BR>> keep the old rule but the question was worded in such a
way to confuse <BR>> two of the contest board members.<BR>>
<BR>> Now that the new messed up rule has caused so much confusion
I think <BR>> everyone is getting so fed-up with it that many would
rather have <BR>> nothing at all than what we have now. To me this has
more to do with <BR>> being sick of all the ridiculous discussions than a
real desire of <BR>> pattern pilots to not score t/o and
landings.<BR>> <BR>> I for one have been paying attention to
take-offs and landings this <BR>> year and find it a real shame that we
don't have those beautiful <BR>> centered liftoffs and gentle climb outs.
The new guys coming into <BR>> sportsman will miss out on this
discipline.<BR>> <BR>> Keith<BR>> <BR>>
<BR>>> ----- Original Message -----<BR>>> From:
MargueriteVG@aol.com<BR>>> To: patternrules@earthlink.net ;
discussion@nsrca.org<BR>>> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 8:58
AM<BR>>> Subject: Re: Landing Direction<BR>>> <BR>>>
<BR>>> Good Morning...... oh oh here goes...<BR>>>
I agree it is important to encourage good landings and take and
I <BR>>> will add to your
statement... why not all classes with take off and
<BR>>> landing. Yes, for the most part the pilots in the higher
classes <BR>>> will ace the landing. I have seen the
higher classes mess up on the <BR>>> landings (yes and almost hit me
while I was in a contest flying)<BR>>> Take off and landing
perfectly all the time is the goal for any <BR>>> pilot. This
seems to be getting so involved. I know I am out for the <BR>>> most
part alone on this issue and that is fine with me. ITs just
<BR>>> that I would like to see the pattern community respect
this issue and <BR>>> set a good example for all pilots joining on to
Precision Aerobatics.<BR>>> A well done take off and a well
done landing is certainly part of <BR>>> flying aerobatic competition
in all classes. Its the start ... and it <BR>>> should be.
I was glad to see someone out there was thinking along <BR>>> the same
lines here.<BR>>> Marguerite<BR>>> <BR>>> In a
message dated 6/13/2005 8:23:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, <BR>>>
patternrules@earthlink.net writes:<BR>>>><BR>>>>
> Personally Jerry, I'd like to see us score landings and take
<BR>>>> offs for<BR>>>> Sportsman and
Intermediate. Given the k-factor of their total <BR>>>>
schedule<BR>>>> it's a meaningful part, and the ability to
land well in a high <BR>>>> crosswind is<BR>>>>
something they'll need to be comfortable with, so it's worth
<BR>>>> rewarding ann<BR>>>> motivating the practice
required to do it well.<BR><BR><BR></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
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