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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>If you aint Hovering you aint flying! (Oops
wrong discussion group;-)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> discussion-request@nsrca.org
[mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></b>Keith Hoard<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, June 13, 2005 11:39
AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> discussion@nsrca.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: Landing Direction;
Spins, and Snaps. . .</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>I think we should stop
scoring spins and snaps, also. What do you guys think?? <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoAutoSig style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=blue
face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Keith L.
Hoard<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:blue'>Cordova, </span></font><st1:State st="on"><font color=blue
face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial;color:blue'>TN</span></font></st1:State></st1:place><font
color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial;color:blue'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>khoard@midsouth.rr.com<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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discussion-request@nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Keith Black<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, June 13, 2005 10:19
AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> discussion@nsrca.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: Landing Direction</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Marguerite,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Actually, I don't think you're alone
on this issue. The NSRCA poll showed overwhelmingly that the membership wanted
scored t/o and landings as did the public outcry after the majority's desires
were disregarded. Apparently even the contest board would have voted to keep
the old rule but the question was worded in such a way to confuse two of the
contest board members. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Now that the new messed up rule has caused
so much confusion I think everyone is getting so fed-up with it that many would
rather have nothing at all than what we have now. To me this has more to do
with being sick of all the ridiculous discussions than a real desire of pattern
pilots to not score t/o and landings.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I for one have been paying attention
to take-offs and landings this year and find it a real shame that we don't have
those beautiful centered liftoffs and gentle climb outs. The new guys coming
into sportsman will miss out on this discipline.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Keith<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in;background:#E4E4E4'><b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:MargueriteVG@aol.com" title="MargueriteVG@aol.com">MargueriteVG@aol.com</a>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:patternrules@earthlink.net" title="patternrules@earthlink.net">patternrules@earthlink.net</a>
; <a href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org" title="discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Monday,
June 13, 2005 8:58 AM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Re: Landing
Direction<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Good Morning...... oh oh here
goes...<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> I agree it is important to
encourage good landings and take and I will add to your
statement... why not all classes with take off and
landing. Yes, for the most part the pilots in the higher classes will ace
the landing. I have seen the higher classes mess up on the landings
(yes and almost hit me while I was in a contest flying)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Take off and landing
perfectly all the time is the goal for any pilot. This seems to be
getting so involved. I know I am out for the most part alone on this issue and
that is fine with me. ITs just that I would like to see
the pattern community respect this issue and set a good example for all pilots
joining on to Precision Aerobatics.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> A well done take off and a
well done landing is certainly part of flying aerobatic competition in all
classes. Its the start ... and it should be. I was glad to see
someone out there was thinking along the same lines here. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Marguerite<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>In a message dated 6/13/2005 8:23:28
AM Eastern Standard Time, patternrules@earthlink.net writes:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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> Personally Jerry, I'd like to see us score landings and take offs
for<br>
Sportsman and Intermediate. Given the k-factor of their total schedule<br>
it's a meaningful part, and the ability to land well in a high crosswind is<br>
something they'll need to be comfortable with, so it's worth rewarding ann<br>
motivating the practice required to do it well.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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