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<DIV>Well, if we are going to this type scoring, I vote for a couple of throw
out or King's X maneuvers per flight, pilot's choice of course. Best 20 or
so maneuvers counts?</DIV>
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<DIV>Seriously, I have been trying to catch up on the long list of emails
pertaining to judging or not judging TO and Landings with a lot of good points
made on both sidespertaining to faster contests and safer environments.
Maybe my grey hair is showing, but I guess I disagree with the comments about
TO/landing not being aerobatic maneuvers, not important, etc. My opinion
is they are the most critical 2 maneuvers per flight and barring radio problems,
probably are most responsible for aircraft damage at any contest.
Therefore, I think they should be judged (forcing the pilot to actually practice
them) and quite frankly I believe they should have something greater than 1 as a
multiplier.</DIV>
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<DIV>These two maneuvers require the pilot to control the aircraft in a rapidly
changing airspeed situation and demonstrate control during those changes.
Takes all 4 control axis, etc. Kind of a back to the basics opinion, but
we have all seen the onset of the blast it into the air and hope it hits the
runway when it comes down approach. I for one do not believe this approach
improves anything, may even cause more deterioration in actual 'flying' skills
in our entry and mid-level classes.</DIV>
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<DIV>OK, let me get my fire suit button up here...... OK, I'm
ready..... ;-)</DIV>
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<DIV>Don Atwood</DIV>
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<DIV>In a message dated 6/13/2005 1:09:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
vanputte@cox.net writes:</DIV>
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style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid"><FONT
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>On Jun
13, 2005, at 2:26 PM, Cameron Smith wrote:<BR><BR>> Top-Hats & Humpty
Bumps also!!! If you aint Hovering you aint flying! <BR>> (Oops wrong
discussion group;-)<BR><BR>Well, as long as we're voting here, I vote for
non-scored Diamond 8s in <BR>the Master class. Everyone should just
admire the beauty of the <BR>maneuver and not be critical and
judgmental.<BR><BR>Ron Van Putte<BR><BR>> <BR>> -----Original
Message-----<BR>> From: discussion-request@nsrca.org <BR>>
[mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Keith Hoard<BR>> Sent:
Monday, June 13, 2005 11:39 AM<BR>> To: discussion@nsrca.org<BR>>
Subject: RE: Landing Direction; Spins, and Snaps. . .<BR>> <BR>> I
think we should stop scoring spins and snaps, also. What do you <BR>>
guys think?? <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Keith
L. Hoard<BR>> Cordova, TN<BR>> khoard@midsouth.rr.com<BR>>
<BR>> <BR>> <BR>><BR>> From:
discussion-request@nsrca.org <BR>> [mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org] On
Behalf Of Keith Black<BR>> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 10:19 AM<BR>> To:
discussion@nsrca.org<BR>> Subject: Re: Landing Direction<BR>>
<BR>> Marguerite,<BR>> <BR>> Actually, I don't think
you're alone on this issue. The NSRCA poll <BR>> showed overwhelmingly that
the membership wanted scored t/o and <BR>> landings as did the public
outcry after the majority's desires were <BR>> disregarded. Apparently even
the contest board would have voted to <BR>> keep the old rule but the
question was worded in such a way to confuse <BR>> two of the contest board
members.<BR>> <BR>> Now that the new messed up rule has caused so
much confusion I think <BR>> everyone is getting so fed-up with it that
many would rather have <BR>> nothing at all than what we have now. To me
this has more to do with <BR>> being sick of all the ridiculous discussions
than a real desire of <BR>> pattern pilots to not score t/o and
landings.<BR>> <BR>> I for one have been paying attention to
take-offs and landings this <BR>> year and find it a real shame that we
don't have those beautiful <BR>> centered liftoffs and gentle climb outs.
The new guys coming into <BR>> sportsman will miss out on this
discipline.<BR>> <BR>> Keith<BR>> <BR>>
<BR>>> ----- Original Message -----<BR>>> From:
MargueriteVG@aol.com<BR>>> To: patternrules@earthlink.net ;
discussion@nsrca.org<BR>>> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 8:58
AM<BR>>> Subject: Re: Landing Direction<BR>>> <BR>>>
<BR>>> Good Morning...... oh oh here goes...<BR>>>
I agree it is important to encourage good landings and take and I
<BR>>> will add to your
statement... why not all classes with take off and
<BR>>> landing. Yes, for the most part the pilots in the higher
classes <BR>>> will ace the landing. I have seen the higher
classes mess up on the <BR>>> landings (yes and almost hit me while I
was in a contest flying)<BR>>> Take off and landing perfectly all
the time is the goal for any <BR>>> pilot. This seems to be
getting so involved. I know I am out for the <BR>>> most part alone on
this issue and that is fine with me. ITs just <BR>>>
that I would like to see the pattern community respect this issue and
<BR>>> set a good example for all pilots joining on to Precision
Aerobatics.<BR>>> A well done take off and a well done landing is
certainly part of <BR>>> flying aerobatic competition in all
classes. Its the start ... and it <BR>>> should be. I was
glad to see someone out there was thinking along <BR>>> the same lines
here.<BR>>> Marguerite<BR>>> <BR>>> In a message dated
6/13/2005 8:23:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, <BR>>>
patternrules@earthlink.net writes:<BR>>>><BR>>>> >
Personally Jerry, I'd like to see us score landings and take
<BR>>>> offs for<BR>>>> Sportsman and
Intermediate. Given the k-factor of their total <BR>>>>
schedule<BR>>>> it's a meaningful part, and the ability to land
well in a high <BR>>>> crosswind is<BR>>>> something
they'll need to be comfortable with, so it's worth <BR>>>> rewarding
ann<BR>>>> motivating the practice required to do it
well.<BR><BR><BR></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
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