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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Back a few (well--quite a few) years ago when most
everyone was flying trikes--just about the time I finally learned how to make a
nice smooth tail low and hold-the-nose-wheel-off-the-runway landing--we all went
to conventional gear. Score 'em through FAI--precision all the way
through. Nice stable, graceful take-offs and landings are things of
beauty. IMHO</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Richard</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=lld613@psci.net href="mailto:lld613@psci.net">Larry Diamond</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, June 13, 2005 3:50 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [SPAM] RE: Landing
Direction</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">FWIW…I haven’t really seen many comments from folks
that have recently joined the ranks of Pattern…So here is my
take…<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I started flying Pattern in 2003. From my viewpoint,
the scored L/TO has made me work on both. Before competing in Pattern, I
wouldn’t fly if the wind was above 10mph. If it was a crosswind, I wouldn’t
fly. Since 2003, my T/O’s are much better. I feel more comfortable with the
cross wind and don’t feel the need to warn the judges about wearing a hard hat
when I fly now…VBG<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I can say with certainty. If the L/TO were not judged
when I was in Sportsman, I had plenty of other problems to worry about. I
worked more on the L/TO than anything else because it was easier to fix and
still had allot of scoring weight in Sportsman.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Because of my own experience, I’m a strong believer
that it should be scored through Advanced. Some of the comments I heared when
I was flying at clubs around the country were, “You can always tell a Pattern
Pilot because the L/TO are always close to perfect”. I heard this at almost
every field I flew at while serving in the Navy…<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Perhaps from my military background I’m big on
tradition. IMHO, if there is something that is good and sets you apart from
all others, stay with it…It’s a Tradition…<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Larry Diamond<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">NSRCA 3083<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">AMA 5024<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">----- Original Message -----<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><B><?x-tad-bigger><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN><?/x-tad-bigger></B><?x-tad-bigger>
discussion-request@nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org] <B><?x-tad-bigger><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold"><?/x-tad-bigger>On Behalf Of
</SPAN><?/x-tad-bigger></B><?x-tad-bigger>Keith Black<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><B><?x-tad-bigger><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN><?/x-tad-bigger></B><?x-tad-bigger>
Monday, June 13, 2005 10:19 AM<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><B><?x-tad-bigger><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN><?/x-tad-bigger></B><?x-tad-bigger>
discussion@nsrca.org<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><B><?x-tad-bigger><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN><?/x-tad-bigger></B><?x-tad-bigger>
Re: Landing Direction<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger> <BR><?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>Marguerite,<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger> <BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>Actually,
I don't think you're alone on this issue. The NSRCA poll showed overwhelmingly
that the membership wanted scored t/o and landings as did the public outcry
after the majority's desires were disregarded. Apparently even the contest
board would have voted to keep the old rule but the question was worded in
such a way to confuse two of the contest board members.<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger> <BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>Now
that the new messed up rule has caused so much confusion I think everyone is
getting so fed-up with it that many would rather have nothing at all than what
we have now. To me this has more to do with being sick of all the ridiculous
discussions than a real desire of pattern pilots to not score t/o and
landings.<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger> <BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>I
for one have been paying attention to take-offs and landings this year and
find it a real shame that we don't have those beautiful centered liftoffs and
gentle climb outs. The new guys coming into sportsman will miss out on this
discipline.<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger> <BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>Keith<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger> <BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily>
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Original Message -----<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily></B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>
<?/x-tad-bigger><?color><?param 0000,0000,FFFF><?x-tad-bigger>MargueriteVG@aol.com<?/x-tad-bigger><?/color><?x-tad-bigger>
<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily></B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>
<?/x-tad-bigger><?color><?param 0000,0000,FFFF><?x-tad-bigger>patternrules@earthlink.net<?/x-tad-bigger><?/color><?x-tad-bigger>
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<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily></B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>
Monday, June 13, 2005 8:58 AM<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily></B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>
Re: Landing Direction<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger> <BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger> <BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>Good
Morning...... oh oh here goes...<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger> I
agree it is important to encourage good landings and take and I will add
to your statement... why not all classes with take off and
landing. Yes, for the most part the pilots in the higher classes will
ace the landing. I have seen the higher classes mess up on the
landings (yes and almost hit me while I was in a contest flying)<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>
Take off and landing perfectly all the time is the goal for any pilot.
This seems to be getting so involved. I know I am out for the most part alone
on this issue and that is fine with me. ITs just that I
would like to see the pattern community respect this issue and set a good
example for all pilots joining on to Precision Aerobatics.<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>
A well done take off and a well done landing is certainly part of flying
aerobatic competition in all classes. Its the start ... and it should
be. I was glad to see someone out there was thinking along the same
lines here.<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>Marguerite<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger> <BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>In
a message dated 6/13/2005 8:23:28 AM Eastern Standard Time,
patternrules@earthlink.net writes:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily>
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Personally Jerry, I'd like to see us score landings and take offs
for<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>Sportsman
and Intermediate. Given the k-factor of their total schedule<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>it's
a meaningful part, and the ability to land well in a high crosswind is<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>something
they'll need to be comfortable with, so it's worth rewarding ann<BR><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>motivating
the practice required to do it well.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>