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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>My question is if no one considers Landing
a “aerobatic maneuver”…An argument I’ll save for
another day… Then why do we even score it at all?? Let’s face it…the
Zero or 10 rule basically takes it out of the contest. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Buddy makes a good point here. IF we’re
not going to make a change back to truly scoring the T/O and landing, then just
simply get rid of ALL the crap, no scores except for maneuvers in the air, and
T/O’s and Landings are completely pilot’s option. Get the thing up
and down safely…we’ll score what’s in the air.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>-<st1:PersonName w:st="on">Mark</st1:PersonName><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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discussion-request@nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org] <b><span
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, June 10, 2005 9:07
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">discussion@nsrca.org</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: Landing Direction</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#8000ff" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#8000FF'>In a message dated
6/10/2005 7:03:40 PM Central Daylight Time, tkeithb@comcast.net writes:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>OK, so you're saying if the wind doesn't
shift then the pilot can't land in the opposite direction. What if there is
just a breath of wind at take-off and the pilot flies with the wind, but at
landing the wind has picked up significantly? Do you stand by the rule and
insist that the wind direction didn't change and now the pilot must land with
the wind or get a zero?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>BTW, I'm not trying to be difficult, just
trying to anticipate the arguments and problems that may raise their heads once
this rule is passed. Let's cover all the bases before putting any language in
place. And let's also be sure we are comfortable with all possible
consequences.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Keith<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <a
href="mailto:vanputte@cox.net" title="mailto:vanputte@cox.net">Ron Van Putte</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'> <a href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org"
title="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'> Friday, June 10, 2005 2:46 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'> Re: Landing Direction<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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On Jun 10, 2005, at 1:35 PM, Keith Black wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>I'm
in favor of the proposal for safety in the case the wind direction changes, but
I'd like to bring something up that I've seen occur. Some pilots are much more
comfortable flying one direction than the other and therefore will sometimes
choose to take-off in the same direction as the wind, especially in a light
wind.<br>
<?/smaller><?/fontfamily> <br>
<?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>Is the spirit of this rule change to allow
someone who took off with the wind to reverse landing direction? If not I think
we could get into a lot of "hair splitting" when the pilot asks the
judges if he can land in the reverse direction. Will the judges remember what
way the wind was blowing (especially if the winds were light when the pilot
took off)? Will other competitors observer the situation and be upset? If the
judges refuse for any reason how upset will the pilot be if he dorks his $2500
plane? Will this rule lead to pilots not practicing the pattern both directions
as much, especially in the lower classes where wind direction doesn't matter as
much?<br>
<?/smaller><?/fontfamily> <br>
<?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>Currently if a pilot has a weak flight
direction and chooses to fly with the wind their "penalty" and
incentive for not doing so is having to make a hot down wind landing (which
I've seen plenty).<br>
<?/smaller><?/fontfamily> <br>
<?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>Over all I like the idea but want to avoid
any unexpected side-effects of the rules change.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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If the wind doesn't shift, the rule wouldn't apply. I think having the judges
give permission is important; it precludes someone trying to finesse the
situation. We trust judges to score flights, so I think it's reasonable to
expect they will know which way a pilot took off and which way the wind was
blowing when he did.<br>
<br>
<br>
Ron Van Putte<br>
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<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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Landing Direction<br>
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Based on the positive response on the proposed change to landing direction, I
sent my draft landing direction rule change proposal to John Fuqua, the Contest
Board chairman, and he replied:<br>
<br>
"How about this. Suggest you put this as para 6.7 which is the
'Safety Requirements" section. <br>
<br>
"Normally landing would be as per paragraph 14.1 regarding Direction of
Flight. However, when a wind shift results in a downwind landing
that creates a hazard to people or the aircraft, subject to the
approval of the judges, the landing direction may be reversed.<br>
<br>
(or maybe)<br>
<br>
"Normally landing would be as per paragraph 14.1 regarding Direction of
Flight. However, subject to the approval of the judges, the landing
direction may be reversed when a wind shift results in a downwind
landing that creates a hazard to people or the aircraft."<br>
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I prefer the second one and will make an Emergency Proposal as soon as I can
put it together.<br>
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Ron Van Putte<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#8000ff" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#8000FF'>How about Take off and
landing pilots choice.Pure and simple.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#8000ff" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#8000FF'>Buddy<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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