<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Hi Lance, </font>
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">I'll just say one thing that has stuck
with me - which is my analogy to a lot of themes which I can't remember
word for word. If your plane doesn't drive lines with a stability
or determination reminiscent of a freight train or loaded diesel truck,
your plane is not flying as well as it can. </font>
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Jim W.</font>
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<br><font size=3>Excellent post. so what did Tony F say about trimming
that you can apply to all planes?</font>
<br><font size=3>--Lance</font>
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Jim O.,</font><font size=3> <br>
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I'm not sure what gear box I have, as I'm not really familiar with the
previous Hacker motors. I do see some bolt heads on the back of the
motor, which would suggest to me that they run through the motor and into
the gear box in the front. At the front of the gear box, all you
see is the bearing with the actual receiving holes for the motor-mounting
screws. </font><font size=3> <br>
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I flew the Impact 4 flights this weekend. I did this while flying
my Aggressor, and breaking in a new OS 140 RX. It was one of the
funnest, BEST pattern day's I've ever had. I flew the E-Impact and
immediately liked the power and speed control (and ease). The Impact
itself, didn't jump off the board as a perfectly trimmed plane, so I knew
I had a little work to do. After the first flight, the concept was
DEFINITELY proven, and I quickly deduced that I need more batteries (first
flight was Saturday evening). After this first flight (with John
B. from Surinam watching), we determined the need to paint the bottom of
the wings and canopy. We ran to Lowes and bought some florescent
red/orange to paint the stab and wing tips, and we also painted the canopy
metallic silver. Also determined that the plane was tail heavy quite
a bit. Anyone familiar with the Impact thread on RCU knows exactly
what I'm talking about in regards to the Impact. </font><font size=3>
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Sunday morning with CG moved forward, the plane flew better and the small
amount of color we put on the plane definitely made a huge difference.
After this second flight, also determined that the CG was still too
far aft, and that the battery needed to be moved forward (at this point,
knife edge needed no mixing), and the plane was carrying a small amount
of aileron trim. </font><font size=3> <br>
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Then, I flew the Aggressor for the first flight with the OS 140 RX and
17x10 APC. With th 17x10, the OS was nearly "super-sonic"
compared to the Impact, however immediately, the Aggressor's trimmed status
and "locked-on" look/feel was evident (as anyone who has seen
the plane fly in D3 would attest to. Due to charging time of the
E-Impact, I swapped props to the Mez 18x10, adjusted the throttle curve,
and started moving the speed envelope of the Aggressor down to match the
Impact in a couple more flights. My first thought was that if I had
the E-setup in the Aggressor, it would be an unstoppable machine! (Aggressor
weight without fuel is 10 lbs 13 oz).</font><font size=3> <br>
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Time for another flight on the Impact. I flew through PO5 this time,
and started getting used to the E-power curve, some rates, etc. The
forward CG move started to pay off, and the plane was drawing better lines
(but still not like my glow plane, which is understandable as this was
only the third flight on the model). After this flight, again, decided
the CG needed to go MORE forward. Also, we determined that the right
wing tip needed about 14 grams of weight to laterally balance the model
(a step I did not do in the garage, we added the tip weight at the field).</font><font size=3>
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Back to the Aggressor: I flew two more flight back to back on the
Aggressor, each time improving the throttle curve to make it easier to
match the envelop of the Impact. The OS ran perfect, and I'm sad
that after 5 years of screwing with other engines, to have not just spent
the little bit of extra money and ran the OS all along. Through each
flight (90 degrees, 90% humidity), the OS ran superb. Inflight throttling
was great, you could tell the motor was not getting hot, and it was making
ridiculous vertical power. (by the way, this was on an OS A5 plug,
C.P. 25% pro-pattern, and ES pipe). The OS runs VERY smooth with
a crazy low idle. I'm VERY happy with how it ran - not a single dead
stick through its first 5 flights - nothing but awesome performance. The
locked in (trimmed) status of the Aggressor, now flying in the slower speed
enveloped, had convinced John that this was still the "ticket"
as compared to where the Impact was after 3 flights.</font><font size=3>
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Back to the E-Impact!!!!!!!!!! For this flight, the 6000 Pro-Lite
T.P. battery was moved as far forward as possible (just behind motor).
This flight showed some incredible potential. In this CG config.,
the Impact was driving lines similar to the Aggressor (up, down, 45's,
etc), and rolling VERY well. Also, the wing tip weight on the right
wing made EVERY SINGLE MANEUVER look better. The wings were much
more locked on, the plane rolled better, exited snaps better, spinned better.
This was a great trimming lesson to me, as the day was getting cross-windy
(worse) through out the day as the ruminants of the tropical storm passed
through, however in the worsening conditions, this was the BEST of the
flights.. After this flight, John immediately was convinced that
this was indeed going to be a solid backup or first plane for the nats.
I'm still going to move the receiver battery forward now though,
and probably make a lighter rudder (which wouldn't hurt things anyway).
(hacker controller has 3 degrees timing).</font><font size=3> <br>
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Charging: I alternated by charging from the car battery, then letting
the car idle for the next charge (guess what - no big deal to do this if
necessary). However my limitation is that I only have one Astro 109
as the second one has not arrived yet. Thus, instead of 45 minute
turnaround times, I was 1.5 hrs between flights.</font><font size=3> <br>
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Impact: I followed some RCU advice and started with a CG on the center
of the wing tube, without wings on. This is in serious error. However,
the plane will dive mildly when in inverted flight, and it gives the impression
through simple tests that the CG is correct. With this CG, the plane
flys off the tail. In radius, the tails squats and the plane will
fly tail low. After I was done with it, the plane was following the
nose, driving excellent lines, similar to the Aggressor (still thanking
Tony F. for the trimming help on my Lazulite,which has now gone into all
my planes!).</font><font size=3> <br>
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Glow / Electric: In a quick comparison, a trimmed plane is what you
need. Electric power itself will help with presentation and probably
hide some airplane tendencies (if bad), due to the smaller speed envelope.
Although, the power and the plane are working together, they are
still a bit separate. I guess I'm trying to say that a poorly trimmed
plane is going to hurt you no matter what motor you have in it. I'm
guessing purely guessing now though, that if two identical planes, both
completely trimmed, were equipped with glow and electric, that the E-setup
would take the cake as it would allow more of a "show-casing"
of the maneuver set. More to follow.........</font><font size=3>
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Thanks, welcome questions, comments, public or private.</font><font size=3>
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