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<DIV>After observing at the last two contests I don't really think it saves much
if any time. They could have fixed the previous t/o landing rule by simply
removing the requirement for the plane to sit still at idle. This alone would
have fixed the biggest complaints, engine quits and caller having to hold plane
until the idle was low enough. </DIV>
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<DIV>BTW, I like the point that Larry Diamond made about setting us apart from
others. I always have that attitude of "we don't do it because it's easy, we do
it *because* it's hard".</DIV>
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<DIV>Keith Black</DIV>
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<A title=MargueriteVG@aol.com
href="mailto:MargueriteVG@aol.com">MargueriteVG@aol.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, June 13, 2005 7:42 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Landing Direction</DIV>
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<DIV> Kieth </DIV>
<DIV> Sounds like a mess for sure. I see
some mails state that this was done (not score t/o and
landings) also to save time at a contest? This certainly does not
sound a like a solid reason to change the standards that have helped make
pattern flying what it is. A disciplined precision flying
schedule starting with take off and ending with landing.</DIV>
<DIV>We should always encourage a precision t/o and landing. </DIV>
<DIV>stepping out of the wars ;-)</DIV>
<DIV>Marguerite</DIV>
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<DIV>In a message dated 6/13/2005 11:19:28 AM Eastern Standard Time,
tkeithb@comcast.net writes:</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Actually, I don't think you're alone on this
issue. The NSRCA poll showed overwhelmingly that the membership wanted
scored t/o and landings as did the public outcry after the majority's
desires were disregarded. Apparently even the contest board would have voted
to keep the old rule but the question was worded in such a way to confuse
two of the contest board members. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Now that the new messed up rule has caused so
much confusion I think everyone is getting so fed-up with it that many would
rather have nothing at all than what we have now. To me this has more to do
with being sick of all the ridiculous discussions than a real desire of
pattern pilots to not score t/o and landings.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I for one have been paying attention to
take-offs and landings this year and find it a real shame that we don't have
those beautiful centered liftoffs and gentle climb outs. The new guys coming
into sportsman will miss out on this discipline.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Keith</FONT></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=mailto:MargueriteVG@aol.com
href="mailto:MargueriteVG@aol.com">MargueriteVG@aol.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=mailto:patternrules@earthlink.net
href="mailto:patternrules@earthlink.net">patternrules@earthlink.net</A> ;
<A title=mailto:discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, June 13, 2005 8:58
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Landing Direction</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Good Morning...... oh oh here
goes...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> I agree it is important to encourage
good landings and take and I will add to your
statement... why not all classes with take off and
landing. Yes, for the most part the pilots in the higher classes
will ace the landing. I have seen the higher classes mess up
on the landings (yes and almost hit me while I was in a contest
flying)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> Take off and landing perfectly all the
time is the goal for any pilot. This seems to be getting so
involved. I know I am out for the most part alone on this issue and that
is fine with me. ITs just that I would like to see
the pattern community respect this issue and set a good example for all
pilots joining on to Precision Aerobatics.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> A well done take off and a well done
landing is certainly part of flying aerobatic competition in all
classes. Its the start ... and it should be. I was glad to see
someone out there was thinking along the same lines here. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Marguerite</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>In a message dated 6/13/2005 8:23:28 AM
Eastern Standard Time, patternrules@earthlink.net writes:</FONT></DIV>
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face=Arial size=2>> Personally Jerry, I'd like to see us score
landings and take offs for<BR>Sportsman and Intermediate. Given
the k-factor of their total schedule<BR>it's a meaningful part, and the
ability to land well in a high crosswind is<BR>something they'll need to
be comfortable with, so it's worth rewarding ann<BR>motivating the
practice required to do it
well.</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
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